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Army picks Sig 320 to Replace M9

Wow, thats news. I thought everybody was picking Glocks these days.
 
I say spare no expense when it comes to our soldiers.
 
Captain America said:
I say spare no expense when it comes to our soldiers.
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Well if that is the case..why did they stick with the 9mm? .45 and .40 perform better as fmj rounds.


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PoS said:
Wow, thats news. I thought everybody was picking Glocks these days.
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Yea. I think it was due to the modularity. At the very least they have my curious.


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blackjack50 said:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxn...lace-m9-service-pistol.amp.html?client=safari

How do you feel about this? Never shot a sig. I heard good things though. Hate it? Love it?


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I carry a SIG 938 and have owned them for years though I prefer the CZ brand for most competitions due to superior trigger pulls. SIGS are well made firearms and reliable. I will probably get one of these since I frequently train young men and women entering the service academies and the military and I want to be intimately familiar with the new handgun platform
 
blackjack50 said:
Well if that is the case..why did they stick with the 9mm? .45 and .40 perform better as fmj rounds.


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1) ease of supply-the SMGs that some special operations groups use are in 9mm

2) 9mm is NATO standard

3) 40 wears out pistol platforms rather quickly

4) 45 is much heavier and requires a lower capacity magazine

5) pistols are a niche use weapon in the military
 
blackjack50 said:
Well if that is the case..why did they stick with the 9mm? .45 and .40 perform better as fmj rounds.


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Are FMJ's standard ammo for the military or would they use JHP's?

I use FMJ's for the range but keep JHP's in my magazine when carrying for personal protection.

Being a Navy guy, I was never educated on the particulars of personal military weaponry. My gun shot 20 mm rounds of depleted uranium (at 3000 rounds per minute) and would never hit in a holster. LOL!
 
PoS said:
Wow, thats news. I thought everybody was picking Glocks these days.
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A Glock as a serious military pistol?
 
TurtleDude said:
I carry a SIG 938 and have owned them for years though I prefer the CZ brand for most competitions due to superior trigger pulls. SIGS are well made firearms and reliable. I will probably get one of these since I frequently train young men and women entering the service academies and the military and I want to be intimately familiar with the new handgun platform
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Took'em ten years to decide, so you know they ain't changing again soon. :lol:
 
TurtleDude said:
I carry a SIG 938 and have owned them for years though I prefer the CZ brand for most competitions due to superior trigger pulls. SIGS are well made firearms and reliable. I will probably get one of these since I frequently train young men and women entering the service academies and the military and I want to be intimately familiar with the new handgun platform
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Yea. I don't see LEOs adopting them over glocks unless there is no safety. Duty ready is vastly superior in a draw and shoot situation.


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Captain America said:
Are FMJ's standard ammo for the military or would they use JHP's?

I use FMJ's for the range but keep JHP's in my magazine when carrying for personal protection.

Being a Navy guy, I was never educated on the particulars of personal military weaponry. My gun shot 20 mm rounds of depleted uranium (at 3000 rounds per minute) and would never hit in a holster. LOL!
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Lol. My understanding is that the military has to use FMJs. Only special units would use hollow points. But that is just what I have heard.


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American said:
A Glock as a serious military pistol?
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Sure. Reliable. Accurate. Easily fixed. Easily replaced. Cheap. Hard to beat that.


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blackjack50 said:
Sure. Reliable. Accurate. Easily fixed. Easily replaced. Cheap. Hard to beat that.


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The Glock doesn't have a manual safety. I'm a little surprised they chose a pistol without an external hammer.
 
blackjack50 said:
Lol. My understanding is that the military has to use FMJs. Only special units would use hollow points. But that is just what I have heard.

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The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, prohibited the use in international warfare of bullets that easily expand or flatten in the body.
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blackjack50 said:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxn...lace-m9-service-pistol.amp.html?client=safari

How do you feel about this? Never shot a sig. I heard good things though. Hate it? Love it?
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I just want to know why no purely U.S. manufacturer was selected. Though I am hardly and expert on the different nuances between high quality pistols, I do know that the Smith and Wesson M&P line is increasingly able to compete against Glock with police sales. I cant see a Sig Saur being noticably superior to a Smith and Wesson M&P.

In short, we should only buy foreign military equipment if there is no U.S. alternative or if the foreign product has a significant quality advantage. I wonder how much equipment we sell in western Europe when local maufacturers offer competing products?

France uses U.S. Hellfire atgms, but to my knowledge French manufacturers don't produce an equivelant product. I cant think of any other examples. As a side note, France picked the Israeli Spike over the US Javelin. I don't think a French manufacturer makes a similar missile.
 
Fledermaus said:
The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, prohibited the use in international warfare of bullets that easily expand or flatten in the body.
(Stolen from Wiki)
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My guess is that US special forces will only be issued hollow point ammunition for use against terrorists (criminals) and not against other combatants.
 
apdst said:
The Glock doesn't have a manual safety. I'm a little surprised they chose a pistol without an external hammer.
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neither does my SIG 320 but the Military version will from what I have been told. my 100 round review of this 320 is good and I have shot just about everything on the market that is commonly available in the USA. I want to try one of the Russian "Glocks" that I have been hearing about and I have a CZ P10 on order as well
 
Cryptic said:
I just want to know why no purely U.S. manufacturer was selected. Though I am hardly and expert on the different nuances between high quality pistols, I do know that the Smith and Wesson M&P line is increasingly able to compete against Glock with police sales. I cant see a Sig Saur being noticably superior to a Smith and Wesson M&P.

In short, we should only buy foreign military equipment if there is no U.S. alternative or if the foreign product has a significant quality advantage. I wonder how much equipment we sell in western Europe when local maufacturers offer competing products?

France uses U.S. Hellfire atgms, but to my knowledge French manufacturers don't produce an equivelant product. I cant think of any other examples. As a side note, France picked the Israeli Spike over the US Javelin. I don't think a French manufacturer makes a similar missile.
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1) the 320 is a USA made pistol and SIG has a sizable manufacturing facility in Exeter NH

2) I have thousands of rounds experience with the SW and only 100 with the 320 SIG. I would find the SW equal to the SIG but I would feel confident with the SIG in a serious confrontation

3) I don't know if the RFP was met by the SW. some of the military acquisition protocol is hard to fathom and appears irrational.

4) the M&Ps we have are extremely reliable and we sometimes put 500-650 rounds through one in a single day without any issues
 
Goshin said:
I've only ever shot one, it was pretty sweet. I've heard some people don't like the feel of Sig's though, say they don't fit their hands well.
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I have large hands and fired a SIG P226. It fits perfectly. The Berreta M92 on the other hand is too small for me, my pinkie finger almost dangles from the lower portion of the grip.
 
American said:
A Glock as a serious military pistol?
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There is a reason virtually all of the special operations units within SOCOM have been using them with many using them for years. Yeah I would say they do pretty well as a serious military pistol. I have 3 combat trips with the same one.
 
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apdst said:
The Glock doesn't have a manual safety. I'm a little surprised they chose a pistol without an external hammer.
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Yea? I mean it can be added, but the point is that you don't need a safety. It is ready to go when you draw it. I would think that is way more important in a combat handgun where it is only going to be used in an emergency, or by someone who will likely only be drawing it once and needs it right away (MPs).


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Fledermaus said:
The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, prohibited the use in international warfare of bullets that easily expand or flatten in the body.
(Stolen from Wiki)
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Really could use an update then.


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blackjack50 said:
Yea? I mean it can be added, but the point is that you don't need a safety. It is ready to go when you draw it. I would think that is way more important in a combat handgun where it is only going to be used in an emergency, or by someone who will likely only be drawing it once and needs it right away (MPs).


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It's ready to go when some soldiers is playing eith it, too. I believe there would be a higher than normal number of accidenyal discharges.
 
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