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Pacific Fleet Commander, Admiral Harry Harris, calls out Colin Kaepernick

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Admiral Harris offers an opinion at the Pearl Harbor commemoration ceremony yesterday. The response of those in attendance echoes my feelings on the matter.

 
Lead, follow or get out of the way.

This country is a wreck.

We have work to do.
 
Of course everyone in the armed forces stands for the national anthem: they face discipline if they don't. :roll:
 
DifferentDrummr said:
Of course everyone in the armed forces stands for the national anthem: they face discipline if they don't. :roll:
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Would you rather them be burning flags?
 
Standing or placing your hand over your heart is such a shallow form of patriotism it barely qualifies as such.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Standing or placing your hand over your heart is such a shallow form of patriotism it barely qualifies as such.
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It takes more than that to make a patriot, but publicly refusing to do it is a deliberate display of disrespect for their country. They have a "right" to do it, of course, but we also have a right to display and speak our contempt for them.
 
Wasn't the Navy segregated in 1941?
 
JohnPaul said:
It takes more than that to make a patriot, but publicly refusing to do it is a deliberate display of disrespect for their country. They have a "right" to do it, of course, but we also have a right to display and speak our contempt for them.
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Well, this so-called admiral needs to just do his job and shut the hell up about politics.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
Of course everyone in the armed forces stands for the national anthem: they face discipline if they don't. :roll:
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Notice the nonagenarian Pearl Harbor survivors seated in the front row with their canes standing up for the admiral's ovation. That's what class looks like. Take notes.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
Well, this so-called admiral needs to just do his job and shut the hell up about politics.
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What, it's okay when Kaepernick runs his mouth about his views but not when the admiral does it? Why?

If you think it's okay for a crappy quaterback to pontificate about his political views, why all of a sudden is this so terrible when an admiral expresses his political views?

Hmm.....
 
DifferentDrummr said:
Well, this so-called admiral needs to just do his job and shut the hell up about politics.
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Maybe the football player just needs to shut the hell up and play with his ball like he gets paid to. Wait, he has 1st Amendment Rights. The good Admiral doesn't have 1st Amendment Rights? Stupid post of the day.
 
JohnPaul said:
Trump is making a good start, but we need a real war to clean out the trash.
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in that case, I would rather live in a garbage dump.

Respectfully, but who in their right mind wishes for a "real war"?
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Standing or placing your hand over your heart is such a shallow form of patriotism it barely qualifies as such.
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If it is so "shallow' why are so many unable to do it?

It is because their patriotism does not even go that deep. That is why.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
Well, this so-called admiral needs to just do his job and shut the hell up about politics.
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NO, he needs to call a spade a spade.

That spoiled and pampered punk is not pro civil rights, he is ANTI-US, and he needs to be called out for it at any and all opportunity.
 
JohnPaul said:
It takes more than that to make a patriot, but publicly refusing to do it is a deliberate display of disrespect for their country. They have a "right" to do it, of course, but we also have a right to display and speak our contempt for them.
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It we measure patriotism by such hollow and meaningless gestures, we truly are not a patriotic people.
 
RetiredNSmilin said:
If it is so "shallow' why are so many unable to do it?

It is because their patriotism does not even go that deep. That is why.
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It we measure patriotism by such hollow and meaningless gestures, we truly are not a patriotic people.
 
Ahlevah said:
No doubt ranking somewhere just below a salute, eh?
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Salutes are typically part of a military customs and courtesies. And yes, the act of saluting in itself doesn't merit much consideration.

However, actions that do contribute to the betterment of a nation, like wearing the uniform in service to your nation's armed forces do certainly qualify as patriotic.

There's more to patriotism then respecting the flag, memorizing slogans and anthems. A lot more, in fact.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Maybe the football player just needs to shut the hell up and play with his ball like he gets paid to. Wait, he has 1st Amendment Rights. The good Admiral doesn't have 1st Amendment Rights? Stupid post of the day.
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U.S. military and naval personnel from top to bottom live by the Uniform Code of Military Justice, which are the laws of the military.

If UCMJ says in any instance or generally that a brass hat (or any hat) does not have First Amendment rights, then he doesn't have them. Period. It is what it is.

Harris is military talking about civilians, civilian behavior, civilian life. Wrong wrong wrong.

I respect hell of Adm. Harris who was born in Japan of married U.S. Army officer and Japanese mother, grew up in Tennessee and Kentucky, and graduated from the Naval Academy at Annapolis. Beijing fears and hates him so his credentials are perfect.

He however as with all military personnel need to leave civilian life to the civilians. As we agree or disagree with the refusal to stand, Harris has absolutely no business injecting himself into it.

Adm. Harris sit down and shut up on this one. Stick to UCMJ and your own command of all U.S. armed forces in Pacific-Asia. Your oath is to the Constitution, not to the national anthem, the flag, or who in civilian life sits or stands, pledges allegiance or does not pledge it.
 
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Jredbaron96 said:
Standing or placing your hand over your heart is such a shallow form of patriotism it barely qualifies as such.
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Most commonly, it is pseudo-patriotism.
 
Tigerace117 said:
What, it's okay when Kaepernick runs his mouth about his views but not when the admiral does it? Why?

If you think it's okay for a crappy quaterback to pontificate about his political views, why all of a sudden is this so terrible when an admiral expresses his political views?

Hmm.....
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A little thing called civilian oversight of the Military. And all serving members staying the heck out of and away from making political comments
 
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