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Forgotten remembered.

This is a very sad story. In death, when it was too late, people showed they cared. Makes me cry.

We have an old Vietnam vet that lives up the road from us. His wife passed away almost three years ago. He has no children and all of his family has passed away except for a sister that lives in NY state. She is old enough that she can't travel. The guy doesn't have any family left. He has no friends because he is a recluse that has lived in the mountains since he got back from Vietnam. We check on him everyday. He is a good man. This story kind of hit home thinking about our neighbor.
 
We have an old Vietnam vet that lives up the road from us. His wife passed away almost three years ago. He has no children and all of his family has passed away except for a sister that lives in NY state. She is old enough that she can't travel. The guy doesn't have any family left. He has no friends because he is a recluse that has lived in the mountains since he got back from Vietnam. We check on him everyday. He is a good man. This story kind of hit home thinking about our neighbor.

God bless you, Nonobaddog.
 
God bless you, Nonobaddog.

baaah. The guy started his first tour in Vietnam in 1959, before it was even an official conflict (Marine SOG). He served a total of three tours in Vietnam. He is a good guy. He never lies even if it might piss me off. We have a lot in common. I have received more form the relationship than I have given. It's my pleasure and honor to have him as a friend.
 
We have an old Vietnam vet that lives up the road from us. His wife passed away almost three years ago. He has no children and all of his family has passed away except for a sister that lives in NY state. She is old enough that she can't travel. The guy doesn't have any family left. He has no friends because he is a recluse that has lived in the mountains since he got back from Vietnam. We check on him everyday. He is a good man. This story kind of hit home thinking about our neighbor.

It's a bit of a struggle to figure out how to answer this. Of course I don't have to respond, no one does.

I am a Vietnam Vet. Friends of mine didn't make it back. Some came home in parts. Damned if any of us knew that we would be branded forever. Why should it be any different from more recent war vets? I haven't a clue. Maybe it isn't. Vietnam Vests have this stigma. It's beyond me.

Friends I served with have done well. Friends I served with ended up on the street or living rough in the woods. Somehow I have always understood that though I was fortunate not to have taken that path. I don't know why. That is a question in itself.

I was afraid to come home. Scared ****less to rotate back. I wanted to come back but, it scared the hell out me. I thought it was me but later found out that a hell of a lot Vietnam Vets felt that way. There was this great sadness I didn't want to bring home. Later I found that most Vietnam Vets had to deal with the same feeling. To this day I don't understand it.

My first tour was on me. I volunteered. It had nothing to do with God, mom, and apple pie. The second time I volunteered was about 3 months after I got back. I didn't fit. Vietnam was a better option of bad. I was at best in some kind of military purgatory, better there than here wherever here was. It was very difficult to deal with, and you dealt with it alone. Seems things haven't changed much in that regard.

Close friends: One is retired and happy as a pig in ****. We were stationed together stateside. I looked him up once when I was sent down to MACV in Saigon. He's doing well.

Another stayed in for 22 years and recently retired a second time as the director of corporate security. I'm not surprised. He was a prince. The best of best.

Once good friend retired from the Dallas police force. No doubt the people of Dallas danced the night that crazy bastard retired.

I caught up with one very good friend living on the street in Atlanta. He was perhaps my closest friend. We lost touch. I'm afraid he never made it back to "the World" even though he made it home.

Bobby caught some shrapnel one night on the perimeter in Peiku. We grew up together. When he came home he was unhinged. His parents used to call me to come "talk him down", him often sitting drunk and crazy in his bedroom at his parent's house holding a beer and a pistol.

Steve got shredded one night after 3 months in country. Hell, I don't think I can list all of it: both legs, one arm, the back of his head, in his side, and all the way up from just above his johnson straight up to his sternum.

A close friend I grew up with became a Phd psychologist in an effort to escape the ghosts. A former SF trooper, he found solace living in a remote area far away from the world. He's doing all right but he prefers no contact save for me and a very few others. He always was and remains a hell of a friend and a stand up guy. It's just that he no longer relates to most people. I get that.

That's enough. It isn't any different for men and women who have been in the **** in the Middle East. People may not know the sacrifice. Hell, I met guys who were on the USS New Jersey who provided arty 15 or so miles away - off shore - who worried about rounds they had sent and who the rounds may have hit 15 miles away.

I have a friend I grew up with who handled flight manifests back home to "the World" who couldn't get a friend out on an early flight who died as a result of not making the flight.

It goes on an on. I doubt it is any different today. Plus there are people in every branch of service who are today involved in crap they can't talk about who may be assigned to places that don't exist. It isn't that rare, y'all. It could be in South America or South Africa. We don't know. Sometimes the places you'd never expect are the very places you'll never know about. The troops who serve there serve with little or no recognition.
 
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It's a bit of a struggle to figure out how to answer this. Of course I don't have to respond, no one does.

I am a Vietnam Vet. Friends of mine didn't make it back. Some came home in parts. Damned if any of us knew that we would be branded forever. Why should it be any different from more recent war vets? I haven't a clue. Maybe it isn't. Vietnam Vests have this stigma. It's beyond me.

Friends I served with have done well. Friends I served with ended up on the street or living rough in the woods. Somehow I have always understood that though I was fortunate not to have taken that path. I don't know why. That is a question in itself.

I was afraid to come home. Scared ****less to rotate back. I wanted to come back but, it scared the hell out me. I thought it was me but later found out that a hell of a lot Vietnam Vets felt that way. There was this great sadness I didn't want to bring home. Later I found that most Vietnam Vets had to deal with the same feeling. To this day I don't understand it.

My first tour was on me. I volunteered. It had nothing to do with God, mom, and apple pie. The second time I volunteered was about 3 months after I got back. I didn't fit. Vietnam was a better option of bad. I was at best in some kind of military purgatory, better there than here wherever here was. It was very difficult to deal with, and you dealt with it alone. Seems things haven't changed much in that regard.

Close friends: One is retired and happy as a pig in ****. We were stationed together stateside. I looked him up once when I was sent down to MACV in Saigon. He's doing well.

Another stayed in for 22 years and recently retired a second time as the director of corporate security. I'm not surprised. He was a prince. The best of best.

Once good friend retired from the Dallas police force. No doubt the people of Dallas danced the night that crazy bastard retired.

I caught up with one very good friend living on the street in Atlanta. He was perhaps my closest friend. We lost touch. I'm afraid he never made it back to "the World" even though he made it home.

Bobby caught some shrapnel one night on the perimeter in Peiku. We grew up together. When he came home he was unhinged. His parents used to call me to come "talk him down", him often sitting drunk and crazy in his bedroom at his parent's house holding a beer and a pistol.

Steve got shredded one night after 3 months in country. Hell, I don't think I can list all of it: both legs, one arm, the back of his head, in his side, and all the way up from just above his johnson straight up to his sternum.

A close friend I grew up with became a Phd psychologist in an effort to escape the ghosts. A former SF trooper, he found solace living in a remote area far away from the world. He's doing all right but he prefers no contact safe for me a very few others. He always was and remains a hell of a friend and a stand up guy. It's just that he no longer relates to most people. I get that.

That's enough. It isn't any different for men and women who have been in the **** in the Middle East. People may not know the sacrifice. Hell, I met guys who were on the USS New Jersey who provided arty 15 or so miles away - off shore - who worried about rounds they had sent and who the rounds may have hit 15 miles away.

I have a friend I grew up with who handled flight manifests back home to "the World" who couldn't get a friend out on an early flight who died as a result of not making the flight.

It goes on an on. I doubt it is any different today. Plus there are people in every branch of service who are today involved in crap they can't talk about who may be assigned to places that don't exist. It isn't that rare, y'all. It could be in South America or South Africa. We don't know. Sometimes the places you'd never expect are the very places you'll never know about. The troops who serve there serve with little or no recognition.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us, Risky. *hugs*
 
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us, Risky. *hugs*

Mags, thanks.

I want to clarify a few things. You know in the movies when you see the military guards that are complete dolts who are always tricked and ****ed over so that the protagonist(s) can gain access to an area? That is what I did. Only we were not like the dumbasses in the movies. What I did was 90% boring. We were well trained. I would tell you that to this day that **** you see happening in the movies does not happen to US troops. I do not, however, want to give you the impression that I was some kind of feckin commando. Far from it.

People did amazing things under amazing conditions. No one can list them all.

The facts remain that there were and are men and women who continue to try to deal with the snakes in their heads that result from things they did or things that they knew. Things they can't share with other people or things that they don't ever want to talk about for a million reasons.

Vets come home and for whatever reasons they are forced to live without help and without hope. Everyone is different. It is a horrible reality that some never make it back mentally. That is pretty much what I meant to say.
 
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The troops who serve there serve with little or no recognition.

I had to cut your post because of space. Sorry. It is a fantastic post.

Brother, there are more stories out there that nobody will ever know.

I first joined right after Vietnam was over. I started to drive home after work one afternoon. The rear end froze up so I started a 17 mile walk in 115 degree heat to get home. I was in uniform. A car drove by and someone threw a baggie of piss out of the window and hit me in the shoulder, spraying piss all over me. I wore that piss for 3.5 hours until I got home. If I had a gun I think I would have shot someone. I have no idea why people that preached peace and harmony would do that to another person.

We had a some Vietnam vets in the unit when we deployed. The deployment shook some of whatever was holding them together apart. One guy locked and loaded on his supervisor. He was immediately sent to Germany and then to Ft. Carson for psych rehab. He was a good guy. He bottled it up and the bottle finally broke. When the rest of us returned from deployment he came into my shop and we talked. He said that he felt better than he had in years. At least now he knew what was wrong and why. One day he came into the shop and I started giving him a hard time. He told me not to mess with him because he was crazy and he might have to kill me with this stupid grin on his face. I told him to shut up and make some coffee since he got the last cup from the pot.

With my neighbor I let him talk when he wants and don't ask him anything when he doesn't. I don't know how he feels or what makes him feel what he does. Sometimes he calls just to talk, usually after a night where he can't sleep because of the nightmares. He has such a soft soul now. He loves to give me a hard time and loves getting one. He is like a dad to me.

I had anger issues. I had them all my life but they came to a head in Iraq. I have dealt with them. I am a pretty calm person now days. That is pretty minor compared to some of the major issues other people have. The deputies up here give me a good amount of space and know not to sneak up on my house. The park in the driveway and make sure I know they are there when they come up. We have coffee and sometimes I have brownies and cocoa or something for them in the winter.

We have a lot of wounded people out there. I have no idea what to do on a large scale. The VA is a major fail for a lot of people. Our local VA was caught up in the scheduling issue. I have tried to deal with them and finally threw my medical care card in the wood stove. I wish I had the money to buy this facility near us. It is in the mountains, has horse facilities, cabins, mess facilities, the works for 31 mil. It would cost 50 mil to build. I don't have that kind of money. I know some people that do but they aren't going to donate their life savings. This does give me an idea.

Anyway. I thank God for every person that made it back. Thank you for your service.
 
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Mags, thanks.

I want to clarify a few things. You know in the movies when you see the military guards that are complete dolts who are always tricked and ****ed over so that the protagonist(s) can gain access to an area? That is what I did. Only we were not like the dumbasses in the movies. What I did was 90% boring. We were well trained. I would tell you that to this day that **** you see happening in the movies does not happen to US troops. I do not, however, want to give you the impression that I was some kind of feckin commando. Far from it.

People did amazing things under amazing conditions. No one can list them all.

The facts remain that there were and are men and women who continue to try to deal with the snakes in their heads that result from things they did or things that they knew. Things they can't share with other people or things that they don't ever want to talk about for a million reasons.

Vets come home and for whatever reasons they are forced to live without help and without hope. Everyone is different. It is a horrible reality that some never make it back mentally. That is pretty much what I meant to say.

Your posts describe very well why "War is Hell", and remind me of the damage done to this society by wars brought under fraud.

The reason so many vets live in the woods, or are homeless, or drop out of society is because they have been emotionally scarred for life by their experiences. I had bad dreams for years about it, but it's finally over, the dreams.

For me, the question is why do we still glorify war? Why do so many people support unnecessary and illegitimate wars, given the social costs?

It's just part of our nature, I suppose.
 
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