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braindrain said:
Without a doubt one of the most successful things the Marine Corps does is selling their image.
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And nicer looking dress uniforms.
 
braindrain said:
And I know plenty of veteran Marines who wouldn't scare a girlscout. There are a decent number of weak kneed folks in the Corps. Though less then there is in the Army.
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Veteran marines who wouldn't scare a girl scout? You're pushing what I can believe.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
I take it you mean lieutenants. But "veteran marines" is something different entirely.
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No both veteran officers and enlisted.
But I did notice you avoided answering the question. Rather telling.
 
braindrain said:
I have worked with units that have zero idea how to conduct battle drills. I know Marines that tell me the only time they train with their weapons are during quals. My brother was a Marine who was a mechanic who told me how often they did any type of combat training i.e. zero. I have a decent number of guys in my unit that used to be in the Marines and have heard quite a bit from them. I also know that the vast majority of folks I have met who believe that saying are civilians or non combat arms Marines. The majority of combat arms Marines both infantry and Force Recon and MARSOC I know don't buy it.

I don't need to talk to every Marine. If the motto is every Marine is a rifleman and they are some that are not even close then that is enough to prove the saying untrue.
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I have worked with Army mechanics who cannot read so I guess that US soldiers are cretins because I have never met a Marine who could not read. :)
 
kanabco said:
I have worked with Army mechanics who cannot read so I guess that US soldiers are cretins because I have never met a Marine who could not read. :)
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What?! Like back in the 1800's? I guess you are joking to make a point.

Everyone has to take the ASVAB to determine their basic levels of education and vocational skills. You HAVE to be able to read in order to understand the questions.

Now braindrain may clearly be speaking out of his rectal orifice when making denigrating remarks about an entire service, but that may be caused by his interpretation of a challenge in the title of the thread.

There will be good soldiers and marines, and bad soldiers and marines. But the Services generally weed out the bad ones with general discharges, leaving damn good personnel we can depend on when the sh+t hits the fan.
 
kanabco said:
I have worked with Army mechanics who cannot read so I guess that US soldiers are cretins because I have never met a Marine who could not read. :)
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Some are most are not just like Marines. And if you think there are not Marines who can't read then you are living in fantasy land.

Not that this has pretty much nothing to do with the topic being discussed
 
Captain Adverse said:
What?! Like back in the 1800's? I guess you are joking to make a point.

Everyone has to take the ASVAB to determine their basic levels of education and vocational skills. You HAVE to be able to read in order to understand the questions.

Now braindrain may clearly be speaking out of his rectal orifice when making denigrating remarks about an entire service, but that may be caused by his interpretation of a challenge in the title of the thread.

There will be good soldiers and marines, and bad soldiers and marines, but the Services generally weed out the bad ones eventually, leaving damn good personnel we can depend on when the sh+t hits the fan.
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Can you please quote me where I made derogatory comments about the Marines as a whole or even any in particular. Because I went out of my way to state how I respect the Corps and feel there is a ton they do better then the Army. So unless you can provide some evidence of your claim the proper thing to do is to admit what you claimed was wrong.

Furthermore I didn't interpret any challenge in the op. Truth be told I don't care to much for the conventional Army or Marine Corps but the opinion of any random Marine on the internet means virtually nothing to me.
 
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braindrain said:
Can you please quote me where I made derogatory comments about the Marines as a whole or even any in particular. Because I went out of my way to state how I respect the Corps and feel there is a ton they do better then the Army. So unless you can provide some evidence of your claim the proper thing to do is to admit what you claimed was wrong.
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Sure:

braindrain said:
I have worked with units that have zero idea how to conduct battle drills. I know Marines that tell me the only time they train with their weapons are during quals. My brother was a Marine who was a mechanic who told me how often they did any type of combat training i.e. zero. I have a decent number of guys in my unit that used to be in the Marines and have heard quite a bit from them. I also know that the vast majority of folks I have met who believe that saying are civilians or non combat arms Marines. The majority of combat arms Marines both infantry and Force Recon and MARSOC I know don't buy it.

I don't need to talk to every Marine. If the motto is every Marine is a rifleman and they are some that are not even close then that is enough to prove the saying untrue.
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This entire post would, if you switched the words "Marine" with "Infantryman" cause me to think you were trying to denigrate my Service with your anecdotal comments. I've encountered many Marines both during my active service and later civilian employment. I've NEVER met a Marine who graduated from their basic who displayed the problems you've expressed.

If you can't see that? I don't know what to say.
 
Captain Adverse said:
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This entire post would, if you switched the words "Marine" with "Infantryman" cause me to think you were trying to denigrate my Service with your anecdotal comments. I've encountered many Marines both during my active service and later civilian employment. I've NEVER met a Marine who graduated from their basic who displayed the problems you've expressed.

If you can't see that? I don't know what to say.
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If you think stating that I have worked with some noncombat arms units that couldn't perform battle drills is degenerating the entire Marine Corps you need to grow some thicker skin. And if stating the truth is disrespecting your service then you have other issues.

Sorry that you seem to think your anecdotal experiences mean more then mine. But I know for a fact that a few of the Marine support units I have worked with had virtually no grunt skills and saying so is not degenerating anybody. And the fact that they were very good at their actual job of being a comms unit vastly mattered more then them not being any good with a rifle or know how to react to contact.
 
braindrain said:
I take it you have no real experience with the Marine Corps.
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GySgt, USMC (Note there is no R there) 20+ years.

I don't usually share my experience in the Corps with other folks.

Most of my co-workers are surprised when it comes up. Why? I have no need or desire to "scare" my co-worker or neighbors.
 
Fledermaus said:
GySgt, USMC (Note there is no R there) 20+ years.

I don't usually share my experience in the Corps with other folks.

Most of my co-workers are surprised when it comes up. Why? I have no need or desire to "scare" my co-worker or neighbors.
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You do know that comment wasn't directed at you. Correct.

And since you do have 20+ years in the Marines you have no doubt met a few Marines who were not the least bit scary.

A perfect example is was the last range control NCOIC out at camp Hansen out here in Okie. Guy was 6'2'' or so and looked to be about 140lbs and acted like screech from scared by the bell. I take it from talking to the guys under him they were none to impressed with him either.
 
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braindrain said:
You do know that comment wasn't directed at you. Correct.

And since you do have 20+ years in the Marines you have no doubt met a few Marines who were not the least bit scary.
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A couple who would not scare a flea... Until push came to shove. One particularly nebish looking Cpl was in the Marine Corps as a deal to avoid multiple assault charges in New York.

Whether an individual scares someone or not is far less relevant than what they can do with an M16 or a SAW.
 
Fledermaus said:
A couple who would not scare a flea... Until push came to shove. One particularly nebish looking Cpl was in the Marine Corps as a deal to avoid multiple assault charges in New York.

Whether an individual scares someone or not is far less relevant than what they can do with an M16 or a SAW.
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Yes met plenty of those as well. And more then a couple who's behavior matched their appearance. Both for the good and the bad. No service or organization in the military is made up all of bad asses. Each has its own problem children, cowards and pretenders. The only difference is the closer you get to the top of the spear they fewer the numbers of them.
 
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braindrain said:
Yes met plenty of those as well. And more then a couple who's behavior matched their appearance. Both for the good and the bad. No service or organization in the military is made up all of bad asses. Each has its own problem children, cowards and pretenders. The only difference is the closer you get to the top of the spear they fewer the numbers of them.
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OMG ain't that the truth.
 
The Army and The Marine Corps have the same mission: engage and destroy the enemy. The Marine Corps' amphibious capability is the biggest seperation. However, the largest amphibious operations in history were conducted by the Army.
 
braindrain said:
What is your experience with the Marine Corps?
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Not much. :shrug: I was simply stating that only a fool would pick a fight with a soldier or marine in uniform. People don't get their stripes lightly.
 
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