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First female 'Green Beret' candidate fails course...

My objection is to the mindset of some posters here that women shouldn't even be allow to try and qualify and, if they do, serve in that capacity. This woman tried and ultimately washed out along with 33 men who failed the combat endurance test she passed.

Maybe I'm just an old-school man with old fashion instincts, but frankly I don't want to see women on the front lines either (whether qualified or not).
 
That is pretty much to a 't' what my dad who was a Green Beret during the Vietnam era believes.

It's what the vast majority of dudes with relevant experience believe. Their experience (and a mountain of data which said this is a bad idea) was ignored by the SJW's in charge :(
 
Sherman123 said:
Other than anecdotal assertions is there any solid empirical evidence that individuals who meet the gender-neutral criteria shouldn't be allowed to serve according to their qualifications?
That's an interesting argument. "If we discount our experience, is there any evidence left"?

Well, it's worth noting that female veterans report the same issues suggested above, not just physical debilitation over time, but also the inevitability of sexual relationships that destroy unit cohesion.


But if you are looking more for "the numbers", well:

Gender integrated combat units have “lower survivability,” a “reduced lethality rate” and reduced deployability.

Injury to female recruits skyrocket when they are required to perform the same training as men, causing women to become 8 times more likely to be medically discharged. ""It is clear that there are differences in muscle physiology, bone architecture and body composition that interact to place women at a substantial disadvantage when training or working to the same output as males". Which, of course, is why women in the military are already significantly more likely to suffer from musculoskeletal injuries, reducing unit readiness.

As a result, substituting women for men in combat-collocated support units increases danger for everyone, while introducing a host of disciplinary and deployability problems that detract from unit cohesion, readiness, and morale.

And that, of course, is assuming they get there. Non-Deployable rates for women are three to four times that of men and once they get there, women are 60% more likely to require medical treatment and twice as likely to have to be medevac'd out, despite their current non-participation in infantry roles (which would cause those rates to increase).

The US Army Study on Physical Requirements confirmed that "The Services... have expanded the military occupational specialties (MOS) open to women purely as a part of the social concern for equality and have only paid lip service to combat readiness... The Army’s own research indicates that the vast majority of women do not possess the lean mass necessary to meet the strength requirements for very heavy and heavy physical MOS’s."

Men have denser bone structure, which allows them to take more weight and physical pounding. In combat they are more immune to concussion and being knocked out (ie: more able to shrug off a blast and keep fighting). Men also have a higher tolerance for pain and faster reflexes, making them better able to initially engage the enemy and then continue engaging the enemy.


[Usual Response Here: But What About The Israelis?]

Israeli commanders discovered that mixed gender units underperformed in combat and took higher casualties, and so they pulled them off the front lines. The "Female infantry units" in the IDF perform comparable duties to our current Lioness program, and are part of a southern border guard with Egypt. They are no longer used as heavy infantry because Israel found out the hard way that it was a bad idea. Which it is.


Worth noting - all this information and more, confirming all the same things, was made available to Secretary Carter. He made his decision anyway. "Feeling Good About His Dedication To Social Justice">"The Lives Of Those Under His Command", apparently.
 
Maybe I'm just an old-school man with old fashion instincts, but frankly I don't want to see women on the front lines either (whether qualified or not).

:) I think they should be allowed to if they qualify, but they should also be subject to the draft.
 
It's what the vast majority of dudes with relevant experience believe. Their experience (and a mountain of data which said this is a bad idea) was ignored by the SJW's in chargechief :(
Fixed it :lol:
 
Maybe I'm just an old-school man with old fashion instincts, but frankly I don't want to see women on the front lines either (whether qualified or not).

I would say that I don't want to see men on the front lines either.
Possibly, if women were at risk, this country would be slightly more judicious about its deployment of combat troops.
 
Gee, big surprise.

The first female soldier to participate in the Army’s initial training for the Green Berets — side by side with men — failed to complete the course, The Washington Times has learned.
The enlisted soldier is the first woman to attend U.S. Army Special Forces Assessment and Selection, the first step toward earning the Special Forces name and the coveted green beret.

First female soldier in Green Beret training fails to complete the course - Washington Times

Considering most men fail the course this is not surprising...
 
I'm not sure why you have such a gloating attitude. She tried, she apparently did quite well (exceeding many of the men in the course) but didn't make the cut. The standards have not changed and perhaps in the future a women will pass the course. By all measures the system works exactly as it should: fairly.

I am betting that she did better than Mickey would have in his prime...
 
I didn't look through 11 pages, so I'm sure someone said it...

But if you're going to let women into combat roles, then they need to sign up for the draft. You want equality? Then sign your daughters up to be enlisted. You want fairness? Then that's fair.
 
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