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Female Marine drops out of infantry course

Renae said:
I was being facetious, don't give those idiots any ideas!
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nono, I think this will work great. We'll solve all our problems with high tech drones and Jason Bourne types. It works pretty well in the movies... so....
 
clownboy said:
In Marines' new fitness plan, pullups for women won't be mandatory

In ALL the services there has always been a male standard and a separate female standard. This has not changed.
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Well, actually, there have been changes to what you are citing. Originally the Marine Corps was going to make women do pullups, but just require them to do fewer (8 instead of 20 for max). Then they discovered that that minimum standard (3) would require them to force out almost half of all female Marines (woops), so they quickly backtracked.
 
Renae said:
I was being facetious, don't give those idiots any ideas!
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Too late. Our infantries equipment is going to need serious upgrades to keep up with all the little buggers that devious hairless monkeys are dreaming up.
 
MaggieD said:
Platoon leaders are supposed to protect their platoons, not the other way around. I see no huge benefit at all.
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It sort of works both ways Maggie. Young officers lean heavily on experienced noncoms, while the unit overall, depends on the officer's ability to act and react. Works the same on ground as it does at sea.
 
Fledermaus said:
Focus.....

That isn't the Marine Corps' Infantry Officer's Course.

It may have happened in the Army.
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The link I gave was from the Marine Corps Times. The different standards by gender exist throughout the Corps. However, it appears you are correct for this one course (Marine Corps' Infantry Officer's Course). There is one standard. Which is why no female has made the cut as yet. I'm fine when some do, as long as the standard isn't lowered, for anyone.

However, it's clear we were talking generally about the different services and not this one exception to the differing standard.
 
clownboy said:
The link I gave was from the Marine Corps Times. The different standards by gender exist throughout the Corps. However, it appears you are correct for this one course (Marine Corps' Infantry Officer's Course). There is one standard. Which is why no female has made the cut as yet. I'm fine when some do, as long as the standard isn't lowered, for anyone.

However, it's clear we were talking generally about the different services and not this one exception to the differing standard.
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"It appears"?

No, I am correct.

And you may be talking different standards.

The Marine Corps' Infantry Officer's Course IS what I was talking about because that is what the OP is about.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Female Marine drops out of infantry course - CNNPolitics.com



I think its great. If a woman can show EXEPTIONAL leadership, and we can get men to be OKAY with it.... Then i think we can even have women platoon leaders. AND IT WOULD BE A HUGE BENIFIT. Especially if all these men really really wanted to protect these platoon leaders on an instinctual level.....
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I find this story a little suspicious.

1) many male marines are woefully out of shape but if you are young and reasonably fit you are going to cruise right through the program assuming you can deal with some asshole yelling at you for no good reason
2) many females at my cross fit gym are wildly more fit than you can begin to imagine.
 
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cpwill said:
They have Defacto. And they will continue to be.
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I actually got into a bit of trouble (Well... Not really, but I was still pretty damn unpopular with certain people around here for a good couple of days afterwards :lol:) because I argued this exact point during our WOBC class' mandatory "women in the infantry" gender integration brief last week.

You want to know the straight-faced example in defense of the concept our CW3 course instructor tried to give? He picked up his little memorandum book off of the podium, and said "The standards are going to re-evaluated... Basically, if it only takes a certain minimum amount of physical strength and effort to move the book from Point A) to Point B), that will be the new standard."

In other words, they're lowering standards to make things easier. They're just not going to call it that. They're going to try and hide the thing behind a smoke screen of buzzwords and red herrings instead. :roll:

The freaking PLA is training to ruck 100 plus lbs of ammo, heavy machine guns, and anti-tank rockets up and down hills right now, specifically to kill us. What are we doing, meanwhile? Weakening our forces by talking about the "minimum" required to move little green books, just so we can appease clueless Left Wing civilians.

Insanity, you have had your day. :doh
 
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Rico Suave said:
I find this story a little suspicious.

1) many male marines are woefully out of shape but if you are young and reasonably fit you are going to cruise right through the program assuming you can deal with some asshole yelling at you for no good reason
2) many females at my cross fit gym are wildly more fit than you can begin to imagine.
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As a graduate of SOI who would (generally) agree that it has been a numbers game... no one cruises through IOC.

And I had a female Marine who used to win bodybuilding competitions. She couldn't have humped with the infantry without breaking down, either.

Turns out, boys and girls bodies are different. Who knew.

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Rico Suave said:
I find this story a little suspicious.

1) many male marines are woefully out of shape but if you are young and reasonably fit you are going to cruise right through the program assuming you can deal with some asshole yelling at you for no good reason
2) many females at my cross fit gym are wildly more fit than you can begin to imagine.
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Please tell us what your experience with the Marine Corps in general and SOI in particular are so we can better determine the accuracy of your statements.
 
Rico Suave said:
I find this story a little suspicious.

1) many male marines are woefully out of shape but if you are young and reasonably fit you are going to cruise right through the program assuming you can deal with some asshole yelling at you for no good reason
2) many females at my cross fit gym are wildly more fit than you can begin to imagine.
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ya when i seen the 49 pushups and 49 situps and such i was thinking..... "How could these people not pass????" There has to be some huge viking woman out there that can easily blow this test out of the water.
 
apdst said:
Even in the Marine Corps, gender morning has been going on for decades.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps_Physical_Fitness_Test

The standards were lowered because the social engineers discovered that too many females were washing out of basic training. The officer's infantry course will be the same thing.
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Except I was (and the OP was) talking about the Marine Corps' Infantry Officer's Course.

The Marine Corps' Infantry Officer's Course.

Not the Marines in general, the Marine Corps' Infantry Officer's Course.

I even reiterated the Marine Corps' Infantry Officer's Course.



You may have noticed a common theme. Then again, you were Army. Maybe I was too subtle.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
ya when i seen the 49 pushups and 49 situps and such i was thinking..... "How could these people not pass????" There has to be some huge viking woman out there that can easily blow this test out of the water.
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And the fact that you think that the minimums for the PT test have any real bearing on the difficulty of a military course shows just how little you understand on this topic. Both Special Forces Assessment and Selection and Navy SEAL BUDs start with a PT test that you only need to pass the minimums to continue. Do you think those standards are any indication of the difficulty of those courses.
 
Rico Suave said:
I find this story a little suspicious.

1) many male marines are woefully out of shape but if you are young and reasonably fit you are going to cruise right through the program assuming you can deal with some asshole yelling at you for no good reason
2) many females at my cross fit gym are wildly more fit than you can begin to imagine.
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I spent 12 of 20 years working with and alongside Marines, and I have never seen " many woefully out of shape".
 
Fledermaus said:
Except I was (and the OP was) talking about the Marine Corps' Infantry Officer's Course.

The Marine Corps' Infantry Officer's Course.

Not the Marines in general, the Marine Corps' Infantry Officer's Course.

I even reiterated the Marine Corps' Infantry Officer's Course.



You may have noticed a common theme. Then again, you were Army. Maybe I was too subtle.
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Go ahead move the goal posts, but you're still wrong.
 
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