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Theoretically: Chinese military VS Japanese military. Who would win?

HL01 said:
my claim is very valid, as japan itself is insufficient and has to rely on the u.s. to provide help. but how can that be justified morally and financially?
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It's called a "Treaty". Look it up sometime.

trea·ty

/ˈtrētē/
Noun

A formally concluded and ratified agreement between countries.
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Oozlefinch said:
It's called a "Treaty". Look it up sometime.
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laugh.....

and to be executed without valid justification and cost consideration, haha....

what a wonderful world you are living. do we actually live in the same planet? haha.....
 
HL01 said:
laugh.....

and to be executed without valid justification and cost consideration, haha....

what a wonderful world you are living. do we actually live in the same planet? haha.....
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Yes, I keep forgetting. To China, treaties are worthless, only worth the paper they are printed on. They can freely ignore them, even if they are over a century old.
 
Oozlefinch said:
Yes, I keep forgetting. To China, treaties are worthless, only worth the paper they are printed on. They can freely ignore them, even if they are over a century old.
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no, that's to japan and the u.s. over the diaoyu islands issue. chinese land was passed to a defeated nation when china was not even presented.

oh, there are also some treaties that the u.s. is not dare to sign, e.g. arms trade treaty, environmental treaty, etc....

and for japan, it just rejected the washington naval treaty and eventually started ww2.

so speaking of "treaties only worth the paper they are printed on", japan and the u.s. are the real masters.
 
HL01 said:
no, that's to japan and the u.s. over the diaoyu islands issue. chinese land was passed to a defeated nation when china was not even presented.
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Those islands were claimed by Japan in the 19th century. Japan annexed them along with Okinawa in 1879. And China did not say a thing about it. Then 16 years later after the Firse Sino-Japanese War, China formally turned them over, along with Taiwan.

This is where China's interest in these islands formally ends. Well over 100 years ago when they themselves turned them over to Japan after loosing a war. Then you try to nitpick 50 years later, when Taiwan was returned to Chinese control. Fine, China got Taiwan back, but these islands were not in the treaty that returned Taiwan to China.

So as I said, to China a treaty does not matter, because they are trying to reclaim lost territory over 100 years after they lost them. And this predates the treaty between the US and Spain after the Spanish-American War. So it is very relevant. To you the only reality that matters is what you think matters, nothing else.

This is why you consistantly fail, over and over and over again. You get back a large island, then proceed to loose that and whine for the next 50+ years about that as well. To people like you, every bit of land that China eer owned appears to rightfully belong to China, and should be returned. About the only immediate neighbor that China has not had to fight since the founding of the PRC is North Korea. And I bet if they were not so convienent as an antagonist against the US they would have been invaded as well.
 
Oozlefinch said:
Those islands were claimed by Japan in the 19th century. Japan annexed them along with Okinawa in 1879. And China did not say a thing about it. Then 16 years later after the Firse Sino-Japanese War, China formally turned them over, along with Taiwan.

This is where China's interest in these islands formally ends. Well over 100 years ago when they themselves turned them over to Japan after loosing a war. Then you try to nitpick 50 years later, when Taiwan was returned to Chinese control. Fine, China got Taiwan back, but these islands were not in the treaty that returned Taiwan to China.

So as I said, to China a treaty does not matter, because they are trying to reclaim lost territory over 100 years after they lost them. And this predates the treaty between the US and Spain after the Spanish-American War. So it is very relevant. To you the only reality that matters is what you think matters, nothing else.

This is why you consistantly fail, over and over and over again. You get back a large island, then proceed to loose that and whine for the next 50+ years about that as well. To people like you, every bit of land that China eer owned appears to rightfully belong to China, and should be returned. About the only immediate neighbor that China has not had to fight since the founding of the PRC is North Korea. And I bet if they were not so convienent as an antagonist against the US they would have been invaded as well.
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you're wrong, and keep repeating wrong facts won't make it real.

the islands appeared in chinese records and maps at least 400 years earlier than japan.

japan invaded and destroyed the ryukyu kingdom (okinawa), in which china did not recognise.

china did protest when the islands were wrongly turned over to japan after ww2, and when all unfair treaties signed between china and japan were void (including the one which gave away taiwan and its surrounding islands signed in 1895). china's ownership to the islands never ends by any means. china never losses the islands for more than 100 years anyway.

chinese lands were invaded and lost, then china fought back and reclaimed them, these wars were for self-defense. it has nothing to whine about as the actions were justified.

korea is about the only nation that has been working with china so well during the past centuries on all areas including the drawing of the boderline. it's rather japan who has invaded the peninsula and tried to destroy the korean culture.

to know asian history i have not failed, but very much you have.
 
HL01 said:
korea is about the only nation that has been working with china so well during the past centuries on all areas including the drawing of the boderline. it's rather japan who has invaded the peninsula and tried to destroy the korean culture.
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It is called North Korea. You seem to be under the delusion that North Korea is the only Korea that matters.

*laugh*
 
Well, they have so much in common with North Korea that it is hardly surprising. You know, both repressive regimes that stifle any originality and freedom of thought. Our current poster is the prime example - he could be posting official texts from the dictator, there is that little deviation in what he says.

PS It's time you put a leash on your puppy dog, by the way.

http://news.yahoo.com/furious-over-sanctions-nkorea-vows-nuke-us-092213643.html
 
we care and talk about the Korean peninsula and the Korean people as a whole, not like you trying to destroy the north simply to satisfy your ambitions.
 
HL01 said:
we care and talk about the Korean peninsula and the Korean people as a whole, not like you trying to destroy the north simply to satisfy your ambitions.
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Oh yea, like we are constantly threatening to attack North Korea. And just last week they threatened to nuke us. They are so sweet and nice and cuddly. And we are the mean guys because we give them millions in aid to help their famine in exchange for killing their nuclear weapons program, which they just turn around and restart anyways. And we are so mean and nasty to them, that they once again say they are ending the cease-fire and may restart the war at any time.

Go peddle your meaningless propaganda somewhere else. It means about as much as anything you say in here. Please tell us of a single threat the US made against North Korea. Just one, please.
 
I think the Japanese would win. It is undoubtedly a strong nation with tough people, which didn't even seem to flinch despite suffering from several catastrophies. The Chinese are cunning as well, but they don't gain support from any international party.
Knowing this, I'm rather interested in whether a war will break out or not, since China has obvious disadvantages. The world is trying its best to maintain peace, so there will either be no war, or a full-scale World War 3 will approach.
 
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