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Special Report: How union, Supreme Court shield Minneapolis cops

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Special Report: How union, Supreme Court shield Minneapolis cops - Reuters

(Reuters) - Long before the death of George Floyd last week, efforts to overhaul the way policing is done in Minneapolis repeatedly fizzled in the face of a powerful 800-member union that championed military-style police tactics.

The union’s labor contract with the city is a formidable roadblock to citizens seeking disciplinary action after aggressive encounters with police. Led by Lieutenant Bob Kroll, the union’s vocal and hard-charging president for five years, officers rarely face sanctions, Reuters has found.

A Reuters analysis of complaints against Minneapolis police officers from the past eight years shows that 9 of every 10 accusations of misconduct were resolved without punishment or intervention aimed at changing an officer’s behavior. The analysis covers about 3,000 complaints during that period; five officers were fired.
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Some police union contracts require that disciplinary records be deleted after 6 months. These people are like a law unto themselves.

Hint: when confronted by a police officer, the first & last words out of your mouth should be 'Sir.'
 
JacksinPA said:
Special Report: How union, Supreme Court shield Minneapolis cops - Reuters

(Reuters) - Long before the death of George Floyd last week, efforts to overhaul the way policing is done in Minneapolis repeatedly fizzled in the face of a powerful 800-member union that championed military-style police tactics.

The union’s labor contract with the city is a formidable roadblock to citizens seeking disciplinary action after aggressive encounters with police. Led by Lieutenant Bob Kroll, the union’s vocal and hard-charging president for five years, officers rarely face sanctions, Reuters has found.

A Reuters analysis of complaints against Minneapolis police officers from the past eight years shows that 9 of every 10 accusations of misconduct were resolved without punishment or intervention aimed at changing an officer’s behavior. The analysis covers about 3,000 complaints during that period; five officers were fired.
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Some police union contracts require that disciplinary records be deleted after 6 months. These people are like a law unto themselves.

Hint: when confronted by a police officer, the first & last words out of your mouth should be 'Sir.'
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Wait. Are you suggesting that Public Sector Unions exercise immense local power, and make their members immune to the consequences of failing in their duties?


Gosh. :) Welcome to the conservative movement, JacksinPA :)
 
cpwill said:
Wait. Are you suggesting that Public Sector Unions exercise immense local power, and make their members immune to the consequences of failing in their duties?


Gosh. :) Welcome to the conservative movement, JacksinPA :)
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If we can get conservatives to join this fight as well, that would be lovely.


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Fiddytree said:
If we can get conservatives to join this fight as well, that would be lovely.
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:) Conservatives have been fighting public sector unions for decades. Just mostly the Education Cartel.
 
cpwill said:
:) Conservatives have been fighting public sector unions for decades. Just mostly the Education Cartel.
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Exactly. Conservatives need to turn their attention to police unions.

And then—and then—also actually follow through in their anti-teacher union rhetoric with teacher unions at the state and local level. I’ve seen far, far too much sucking up to public unions by conservatives. Oh they’ll rail against them at the federal level, but heaven forbid you offend them at the state and local level.


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Fiddytree said:
Exactly. Conservatives need to turn their attention to police unions.
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On the contrary, my friend. Both parties need to realize that the problems they've identified with particular public sector unions are, in fact, problems inherent with public sector unions writ large.

"Government Power" should not be it's own interest group.

And then—and then—also actually follow through in their anti-teacher union rhetoric with teacher unions. I’ve seen far, far too much sucking up to public unions by conservatives.
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:shrug: They fight brutal. you take them on at your peril, all too often.
 
cpwill said:
On the contrary, my friend. Both parties need to realize that the problems they've identified with particular public sector unions are, in fact, problems inherent with public sector unions writ large.

"Government Power" should not be it's own interest group.



:shrug: They fight brutal. you take them on at your peril, all too often.
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I don’t think you and I disagree all that much. I’m just telling you, man, the **** I have seen and heard has been beyond the pale. These people defend the notion that a school teacher and administrator *has the right* to determine whether or not a student is allowed to live and that parents can have no recourse preventing such a scenario. Nothing brought up about serious and deadly imminent harm, no no, just any student being in school that day.


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We helped this one family for over 15 years. One of them was a little black kid with undiagnosed autism. At the age of 5 he was out in a hallway and he was stimming. He was rolling on the ground.

A white male administrator didn’t like what he saw and asked the kid to stop. The kid either didn’t notice, process, or was at that moment able to “comply” with the request. He walks up to this kid and pushes his entire weight on the boy. The kid has asthma and could have been killed that day with how long this man did that. His parents weren’t notified, there was no written report, nothing. The only reason why they or we knew about it was because the kid said something.

Guess what a lot of conservatives in our area thought was an a-okay response to such a situation and how to deal with policies going forward, and whether or not it should be cool with what public educator associations wanted or were not really all that enthused about changing?

Situations like these.

He’s a young man now and I’m still working with him. But it could have ended a hell of a lot differently.


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Fiddytree said:
I don’t think you and I disagree all that much. I’m just telling you, man, the **** I have seen and heard has been beyond the pale. These people defend the notion that a school teacher and administrator *has the right* to determine whether or not a student is allowed to live and that parents can have no recourse preventing such a scenario. Nothing brought up about serious and deadly imminent harm, no no, just any student being in school that day.
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That's.... That's horrific, and, tragically, not astonishing.

That **** needs to be put down hard.
 
cpwill said:
That's.... That's horrific, and, tragically, not astonishing.

That **** needs to be put down hard.
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But here’s where they get the conservatives Cp. It’s always about it being used on “bad, unruly children.” Guess who those kids are? Kids that a racial minorities, students with disabilities, and students associated with emotional and mental health disorders. That’s me, that’s my family, those are the kids I work with, man. Then suddenly, as soon as you say that, all their problems with it vanish. It’s miraculous ****.

What do you think schools do with their SRO’s? If they have any regs guiding their actions, they bring in someone with less regulation. That’s what they tell families when those SROs use seclusion and restraint. “Oh I have policies directing what I do—but these guys don’t. So I call them over to deal with your son/daughter.” That’s exactly what they have told our families.

That’s the **** liberals and conservatives alike need to deal with.


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Fiddytree said:
But here’s where they get the conservatives Cp. It’s always about it being used on “bad, unruly children.” Guess who those kids are? Kids that a racial minorities, students with disabilities, and students associated with emotional and mental health disorders. That’s me, that’s my family, those are the kids I work with, man. Then suddenly, as soon as you say that, all their problems with it vanish. It’s miraculous ****.

What do you think schools do with their SRO’s? If they have any regs guiding their actions, they bring in someone with less regulation. That’s what they tell families when those SROs use seclusion and restraint. “Oh I have policies directing what I do—but these guys don’t. So I call them over to deal with your son/daughter.” That’s exactly what they have told our families.

That’s the **** liberals and conservatives alike need to deal with.


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From what my sister says, she's a special ed instructor in the Houston TX area, a lot of the problems stem from competence that is less than ideal with most of the instructors along with investment of time by instructors and parents. Bottom line a lot of the children are short changed.
 
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