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[Illinois] Illinois legislature passes recreational cannabis bill

Mr Person said:
Imagine the surprise of believers when their first experience in the afterlife is a 100 year long course on how wrong they were about everything about which they were certain......
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Imagine how surprised Timothy Leary must have been to find out that God is real and that Jesus is not a pot-head.
 
marke said:
Legalizing debilitating mind-altering drugs is a natural for godless democrats desiring to legalize every destructive sinful pleasure known to man.
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Yeah, but this is about pot.
 
Mr Person said:
Imagine the surprise of believers when their first experience in the afterlife is a 100 year long course on how wrong they were about everything about which they were certain......
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The old saying applies.

"When the galloping horse of history comes running by, better hop-on. 'Cuz it only passes by once!"
 
Wow!

It would also create a licensed cultivation and dispensary system while directing Pritzker to pardon people with past convictions for low-level pot possession.
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Rep. Jehan Gordon-Booth, a Peoria Democrat, said the discussion about the bill’s expungement provisions was the first time in her decade as a lawmaker that minority communities were at the center of a major policy decision.

Wiping people’s criminal records clean will open up new educational and career opportunities that will help lift people out of poverty, Gordon-Booth said.

“If you are wearing the scarlet letter of a conviction, you are now calcified in poverty because of a mistake,” she said. “Not even a mistake, a choice.”
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Nice job, Illinois. Pritzker & Lightfoot may be a good thing.
 
Threegoofs said:
The worry is that you’ll feed the black/gray market, which is definitely a thing in other states.

It’s similar to the concept that it’s illegal to distill alcohol.

Realistically, if you’re dying to do it, you can jump through some hoops and get a medical card.

Or, you can take the risk of getting caught and paying a $200 fine for $300 worth of grow.

It’s a minor concession.
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Or a strong case for making pot legal at the federal level. ;)

Well, that, and curb the practice of charging prohibition prices for legal pot.

I don't see it as a minor concession, I see it as a silly hypocrisy. Allowing folks to grow a small amount for personal consumption isn't going to lead to any black market growth, as long as you're doing legalization right. Perhaps it's something to revisit when you get it figured out a little more down there, but ultimately this really only benefits corporate growers. You can almost hear them whispering this one in the ears of lawmakers. It doesn't really align itself with the image of freedom you guys like to project. ;)

Also, unimportant, but just because I'm feeling chatty... If you're going to stick with the alcohol analogy, distilling would be more accurately associated with the concentrates...hash, oil, shatter, tinctures, etc. And given the technical nature of those products, I have no problem with their production being regulated to where a corporate production model would be the only realistic way to comply...though I have a jar of this pot infused topical cream that I got from a lady who made it in her kitchen, and it takes the pain out of these knees miles better than anything else I'd feel comfortable taking regularly. These politicians have got to get over this idea we're messing with plutonium. :) I've always thought that the pot industry should look more like the wine industry...it's probably the model that translates best, and would be best for the industry.

Frankly, for me, it comes down to the fact that I don't trust profit motivated entities to put my health and safety first. We don't need another tobacco industry. So I guess I'm glad we did it the way we did it up here. While it's far from perfect, it's pointed in the right direction, allowing for both big business to cash in, but allow people the freedom to make the decisions that are right for them. It might seem like a small concession, but folks might think differently a ways down the road, when they realize that there's no framework for personal production, and it's a lot trickier to sort out than it would have been if you'd gotten it right out of the gates. :)
 
marke said:
Legalizing debilitating mind-altering drugs is a natural for godless democrats desiring to legalize every destructive sinful pleasure known to man.
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God made pot, marke.

Genesis 1:29, man. Take it up with Him.
 
marke said:
Legalizing debilitating mind-altering drugs is a natural for godless democrats desiring to legalize every destructive sinful pleasure known to man.
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You should read genius, something about all plants and animals...
 
OlNate said:
Or a strong case for making pot legal at the federal level. ;)

Well, that, and curb the practice of charging prohibition prices for legal pot.

I don't see it as a minor concession, I see it as a silly hypocrisy. Allowing folks to grow a small amount for personal consumption isn't going to lead to any black market growth, as long as you're doing legalization right. Perhaps it's something to revisit when you get it figured out a little more down there, but ultimately this really only benefits corporate growers. You can almost hear them whispering this one in the ears of lawmakers. It doesn't really align itself with the image of freedom you guys like to project. ;)

Also, unimportant, but just because I'm feeling chatty... If you're going to stick with the alcohol analogy, distilling would be more accurately associated with the concentrates...hash, oil, shatter, tinctures, etc. And given the technical nature of those products, I have no problem with their production being regulated to where a corporate production model would be the only realistic way to comply...though I have a jar of this pot infused topical cream that I got from a lady who made it in her kitchen, and it takes the pain out of these knees miles better than anything else I'd feel comfortable taking regularly. These politicians have got to get over this idea we're messing with plutonium. :) I've always thought that the pot industry should look more like the wine industry...it's probably the model that translates best, and would be best for the industry.

Frankly, for me, it comes down to the fact that I don't trust profit motivated entities to put my health and safety first. We don't need another tobacco industry. So I guess I'm glad we did it the way we did it up here. While it's far from perfect, it's pointed in the right direction, allowing for both big business to cash in, but allow people the freedom to make the decisions that are right for them. It might seem like a small concession, but folks might think differently a ways down the road, when they realize that there's no framework for personal production, and it's a lot trickier to sort out than it would have been if you'd gotten it right out of the gates. :)
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I’m fine with more restrictions at first, than gradual adjustments.

The one think I would have liked to see, which was not even considered, was a ban on advertising. We used to do it with hard alcohol, we presently do it with tobacco.. not sure why it’s not front and center for cannabis.
 
marke said:
I probably won't make it, but God will. I pray people will prepare themselves to meet God before He suddenly shows up.
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Again... I’m overjoyed that this will prevent you from coming to Illinois. What a bonus!
 
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Threegoofs said:
Again... I’m overjoyed that this will prevent you from coming to Illinois. What s bonus!
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Now we just need Iowa and he wouldn't be able to get to Wisconsin while the GOP here drags their feet and as always keeps us in the dark ages...
 
Threegoofs said:
The worry is that you’ll feed the black/gray market, which is definitely a thing in other states.

It’s similar to the concept that it’s illegal to distill alcohol.

Realistically, if you’re dying to do it, you can jump through some hoops and get a medical card.

Or, you can take the risk of getting caught and paying a $200 fine for $300 worth of grow.

It’s a minor concession.
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They will just piss the tax revenue generated away on social issues/projects and build Gov even more
 
Roadvirus said:
Great. Not only do we have to worry about drunks...but now potheads too.
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They have already been there all along and there are laws already covering that.
 
OlNate said:
I think it's silly people can't grow their own. Up here we can grow up to four plants per household. It's a reasonable compromise - four plants ought to get you through the year, if you're decent at it. If you can grow grapes to make wine, you should be able to grow dope. Folks may balk at that, until you consider that the type of grapes you grow to make wine are really only good for making wine...you wouldn't want to eat them. So, yeah, it really is the same thing. :)
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It is more about tax revenue the state loses than anything else, always follow the $$$.
 
Chomsky said:
Yeah, but this is about pot.
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Only a buffoon would try to legalize pot which is responsible for the accidental deaths of more Americans each year than die in gun violence.
 
Threegoofs said:
Wow.

This bill did make some concessions to law enforcement.

The big concession was making home growing illegal except for medical card holders.

Seems reasonable to me.
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Same growing rules as California and Colorado, but most people don't really understand how that works for the medical dispensaries. Growers are limited as to how much they are allowed to grow (a lot, but not infinite). Most dispensaries get their products from specific growers. Anyone with a medical use card can cede their grow rights to the dispensary of their choice, allowing a specific grower to add to their inventory. Those with no gardening space, or no inclination, can get deep discounts from their dispensary by doing so. Win-win-win.

Good for Illinois. Those dominos are falling faster and faster, mostly because a) law enforcement can ignore a whole segment of criminality that was a waste of their time to begin with and b) money ... Colorado has raked in twice as much in taxes on cannabis that originally predicted. Legal marijuana is a cash cow.
 
marke said:
I probably won't make it, but God will. I pray people will prepare themselves to meet God before He suddenly shows up.
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He's gonna need some really good ID at this point.
 
marke said:
Imagine how surprised Timothy Leary must have been to find out that God is real and that Jesus is not a pot-head.
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I doubt anything could surprise Leary. Last I talked to him he said God still hadn't shown back up and Jesus was much more into Ecstacy lately.
 
Roadvirus said:
Great. Not only do we have to worry about drunks...but now potheads too.
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Not really. Cannabis users are far more inclined to stay home. Especially in the age of things like grub hub.

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Alcohol is a far more dangerous drug.
 
Helix said:
maybe it will put pressure on my backwards red state to have a pot legal state next to it.
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Hang in there. The money is talking loudly, even to red states.
 
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