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Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker signed legislation on Sunday that raises the legal age for purchasing cigarettes, e-cigarettes and other tobacco products from 18 to 21.

HB 345 takes effect July 1. It aims to reduce tobacco use among teens and young adults by preventing them from starting, said Pritzker and state lawmakers who attended Sunday’s bill signing.

Illinois raises smoking age to 21 | fox8.com

Other Democrat control states have or are passing similar laws. If the control freak fascist-socialists get their way, everyone will be a criminal for which they will used these laws selectively to imprison political opposition ala Gestapo and KGB style.

Other than truth and racial integration, there is nothing the Democratic Party hates more than individual rights and freedom. Do what you are told, say what you are told to say, act like you are ordered to act - or be imprisoned. This is at the core of the Democratic Party.
 
joko104 said:
Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker signed legislation on Sunday that raises the legal age for purchasing cigarettes, e-cigarettes and other tobacco products from 18 to 21.

HB 345 takes effect July 1. It aims to reduce tobacco use among teens and young adults by preventing them from starting, said Pritzker and state lawmakers who attended Sunday’s bill signing.

Illinois raises smoking age to 21 | fox8.com

Other Democrat control states have or are passing similar laws. If the control freak fascist-socialists get their way, everyone will be a criminal for which they will used these laws selectively to imprison political opposition ala Gestapo and KGB style.

Other than truth and racial integration, there is nothing the Democratic Party hates more than individual rights and freedom. Do what you are told, say what you are told to say, act like you are ordered to act - or be imprisoned. This is at the core of the Democratic Party.
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Then you must really hate states that have the min age to rent a vehicle 25 then right? Or the drinking age to 21? I hope you are against all drugs being criminalized then because that's restricting individual rights and freedoms as well.

And you must be pro-choice as well because telling a woman that she can't do something to her body is restricting individual rights and freedoms as well.
 
joko104 said:
Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker signed legislation on Sunday that raises the legal age for purchasing cigarettes, e-cigarettes and other tobacco products from 18 to 21.

HB 345 takes effect July 1. It aims to reduce tobacco use among teens and young adults by preventing them from starting, said Pritzker and state lawmakers who attended Sunday’s bill signing.

Illinois raises smoking age to 21 | fox8.com

Other Democrat control states have or are passing similar laws. If the control freak fascist-socialists get their way, everyone will be a criminal for which they will used these laws selectively to imprison political opposition ala Gestapo and KGB style.

Other than truth and racial integration, there is nothing the Democratic Party hates more than individual rights and freedom. Do what you are told, say what you are told to say, act like you are ordered to act - or be imprisoned. This is at the core of the Democratic Party.
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The entirely conservative/GOP War on Drugs called for you.

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joko104 said:
Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker signed legislation on Sunday that raises the legal age for purchasing cigarettes, e-cigarettes and other tobacco products from 18 to 21.

HB 345 takes effect July 1. It aims to reduce tobacco use among teens and young adults by preventing them from starting, said Pritzker and state lawmakers who attended Sunday’s bill signing.

Illinois raises smoking age to 21 | fox8.com

Other Democrat control states have or are passing similar laws. If the control freak fascist-socialists get their way, everyone will be a criminal for which they will used these laws selectively to imprison political opposition ala Gestapo and KGB style.

Other than truth and racial integration, there is nothing the Democratic Party hates more than individual rights and freedom. Do what you are told, say what you are told to say, act like you are ordered to act - or be imprisoned. This is at the core of the Democratic Party.
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This was a bipartisan bill. Some Republicans also voted for it. And btw, Arkansas also passed a similar law for 21 being the smoking age.

It's perfectly fine if you want to argue that we should be letting 18 year olds smoke. But you need to make that argument rather than just bash people and attack others. You are always going for the lowest common denominator. It's not a good look.
 
roughdraft274 said:
This was a bipartisan bill. Some Republicans also voted for it. And btw, Arkansas also passed a similar law for 21 being the smoking age.

It's perfectly fine if you want to argue that we should be letting 18 year olds smoke. But you need to make that argument rather than just bash people and attack others. You are always going for the lowest common denominator. It's not a good look.
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IMO, the age of adulthood should be just that. All rights and responsibilities of an adult. So if that be 16, 18, 21, 25, whatever. However, it should be consistent across the board. If you can be jailed as an adult, sent to war and have all the legal responsibilities of an adult, then you should have all the rights to being an adult.
 
Praxas said:
IMO, the age of adulthood should be just that. All rights and responsibilities of an adult. So if that be 16, 18, 21, 25, whatever. However, it should be consistent across the board. If you can be jailed as an adult, sent to war and have all the legal responsibilities of an adult, then you should have all the rights to being an adult.
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That's a reasonable discussion to be had. But Joko didn't start this thread with a purpose of having a reasonable discussion. He started this thread for the purpose of making the incredibly stupid argument that Democrats hate rights and freedoms because both democrats and republicans have passed legislation that you must be 21 before you smoke. We can have a debate about the issue, but Joko's "argument" (for lack of a better word) falls flat on it's face right out of the gate because it has no legs. It's the equivalent of a legless bulldog in a grey hound race.
 
My two cents. You are an adult on the day the government says you are old enough to be drafted and potentially killed.
 
AlphaOmega said:
My two cents. You are an adult on the day the government says you are old enough to be drafted and potentially killed.
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All kids say that, and all adults laugh.
 
AlphaOmega said:
My two cents. You are an adult on the day the government says you are old enough to be drafted and potentially killed.
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OK, but there's no particular reason that state governments must defer to the Feds on that issue. Perhaps the federal government can make cigarettes available for sale to anyone age 18-20 in the armed forces where they're stationed. Same with alcohol, and rental cars.

In the meantime, smoking is a terrible habit, nothing is lost by not starting it, and the data I've seen, such as this, indicate that raising the age to 21 does reduce rates of smoking.
 
JasperL said:
OK, but there's no particular reason that state governments must defer to the Feds on that issue. Perhaps the federal government can make cigarettes available for sale to anyone age 18-20 in the armed forces where they're stationed. Same with alcohol, and rental cars.

In the meantime, smoking is a terrible habit, nothing is lost by not starting it, and the data I've seen, such as this, indicate that raising the age to 21 does reduce rates of smoking.
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I find smoking repulsive. Always have. To me someone willingly poisoning themselves is the ultimate form of a weak mind. That being said, if someone is adult enough to be placed in the line of lethal fire then they are certainly adult enough to decide if they want to smoke or not
 
Praxas said:
Then you must really hate states that have the min age to rent a vehicle 25 then right? Or the drinking age to 21? I hope you are against all drugs being criminalized then because that's restricting individual rights and freedoms as well.

And you must be pro-choice as well because telling a woman that she can't do something to her body is restricting individual rights and freedoms as well.
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The drinking age comparison is appropriate but I don’t think the car rental one is. I think that one is the result of car rental company and insurance company policies, not state laws.
 
smoking is very dumb. however, i don't really support taxing the **** out of poor smokers, as i don't support regressive taxes. as for raising the age, i doubt that it will do much to keep teenagers from smoking. some of my friends managed to start at 12 years old, which wasn't legal at the time.

i'm very glad to be out of that particular trap. thanks, Allen Carr.
 
Praxas said:
Then you must really hate states that have the min age to rent a vehicle 25 then right? Or the drinking age to 21? I hope you are against all drugs being criminalized then because that's restricting individual rights and freedoms as well.

And you must be pro-choice as well because telling a woman that she can't do something to her body is restricting individual rights and freedoms as well.
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And to claims its dems states with ridiculous laws, go look at stupid red states and some of their dumb alcohol rules. or other laws. the right have become just complete fools where they think life should just be a free for all of anarchy with no rules. BUt then again, they have no problem trying to tell gay people they can't get married or be served.

So excuse us for completely ignoring when the hypocrites of the right whine about laws
 
AlphaOmega said:
My two cents. You are an adult on the day the government says you are old enough to be drafted and potentially killed.
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Yeah, drinking age should come down as well, If you can fight in a war you should be able to drink and smoke.
 
AlphaOmega said:
I find smoking repulsive. Always have. To me someone willingly poisoning themselves is the ultimate form of a weak mind. That being said, if someone is adult enough to be placed in the line of lethal fire then they are certainly adult enough to decide if they want to smoke or not
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Again, that's fine. The feds can make cigarettes available to the people who decide to join the military. I'm fine with that.

And your position doesn't explain why we have age 21 drinking laws and in most states completely ban pot and other drugs. If you're old enough to go into battle, aren't you also old enough to decide whether to drink alcohol, smoke pot, snort cocaine, and/or shoot up heroin?

Bottom line is "We should allow 18 year olds to buy cigarettes BECAUSE they can join the military or be drafted at age 18" isn't a compelling argument IMO. It's an argument for allowing 18 year olds to vote, because it's just that someone being asked to fight a war should have a say in who sends them to war, but this issue is very different. There's no 'right' to smoke, any more than there is a 'right' to drink or snort cocaine or take heroin or ingest pot in various forms.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
The drinking age comparison is appropriate but I don’t think the car rental one is. I think that one is the result of car rental company and insurance company policies, not state laws.
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Ok, good point. I thought about that later as well. The other stuff though I think should apply since the others are determined by state/federal rules.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
Yeah, drinking age should come down as well, If you can fight in a war you should be able to drink and smoke.
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Why not raise the draft/enlistment minimum age instead of lower the drinking age? And I'm not clear why the two should, under some principle, be the same age. I'm also not at all clear why people who will never fight in a war obtain the 'right' to smoke or drink because some other guy signs up for the military. Do they also gain the 'right' to smoke pot or snort cocaine, meth, heroin, because they can fight in a war? Why not?
 
Fear not, the cigarette industry has found a way to keep a whole new generation on nicotine. The "legal" age for Vape is still 18 but, with all the exotic flavors available in the Vape the teenage generation is rapidly taking it up. Just like the 18 age for smoking never stopped teens from doing it and becoming hooked, 18 does not stop teens getting Vape. I expect 21 will not really cut down much on under age smoking in either form, the only effective deterrent has been high prices.
 
Sabre said:
Fear not, the cigarette industry has found a way to keep a whole new generation on nicotine. The "legal" age for Vape is still 18 but, with all the exotic flavors available in the Vape the teenage generation is rapidly taking it up. Just like the 18 age for smoking never stopped teens from doing it and becoming hooked, 18 does not stop teens getting Vape. I expect 21 will not really cut down much on under age smoking in either form, the only effective deterrent has been high prices.
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That's incorrect in this case. The new law in Illinois applies to cigarettes AND e-cigarettes, aka vaping. Virginia is considering raising the 'smoking' age to 21 and it would specifically also raise the vaping age with it to age 21. I
 
We are entering a dangerous time.

It has already been a convoluted mess on the determination on when someone is adult enough to do something or buy a product, and what we are basically seeing is a governmental response to what e-cigarettes has become in a very short time frame.

The real discussion, that the OP article did not go into, is the idea of personal choice and responsibility against collective healthcare costs.

Since there is at least some statistical evidence that going from 18 to 21 helps the question is what is next. I tend to not like these restriction ideas because it clouds the debate on what being an adult is in the eyes of governance but it also tends to cause unintended consequences.

Not sure how I feel about this one.
 
Old enough the pick the President and old even to decide to be willing to die in military service, but too immature to decide whether or not to smoke cigarettes?

In so many ways, the United States government and laws now are the antithesis of the core principles for the creation of this country.
 
JasperL said:
Why not raise the draft/enlistment minimum age instead of lower the drinking age? And I'm not clear why the two should, under some principle, be the same age. I'm also not at all clear why people who will never fight in a war obtain the 'right' to smoke or drink because some other guy signs up for the military. Do they also gain the 'right' to smoke pot or snort cocaine, meth, heroin, because they can fight in a war? Why not?
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I think its just stupid to arbitrarily decide when someone is an adult. 18 allows one to vote, go into military, even be tried as an adult, but somehow they are not adult enough to drink or smoke cigarettes? I can see maybe 19, since you will have more 18 year olds still in HS that could buy alcohol for their classmates.

There is no need to bump smoking law up to 21.
 
Shouldn't the age to buy soda, candy and anything else with sugar be raised to age 21? Also, a person should be at least 21 before they can buy or have salt from any restaurant or store. All those are attributed to being leading causes of death. Of course no one should be able to drive until 21 for safety's sake.

Definitely no one is mature enough to vote until at least age 21.
 
joko104 said:
Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker signed legislation on Sunday that raises the legal age for purchasing cigarettes, e-cigarettes and other tobacco products from 18 to 21.

HB 345 takes effect July 1. It aims to reduce tobacco use among teens and young adults by preventing them from starting, said Pritzker and state lawmakers who attended Sunday’s bill signing.

Illinois raises smoking age to 21 | fox8.com

Other Democrat control states have or are passing similar laws. If the control freak fascist-socialists get their way, everyone will be a criminal for which they will used these laws selectively to imprison political opposition ala Gestapo and KGB style.

Other than truth and racial integration, there is nothing the Democratic Party hates more than individual rights and freedom. Do what you are told, say what you are told to say, act like you are ordered to act - or be imprisoned. This is at the core of the Democratic Party.
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Smokers kill their children and nobody cares... they just up the smoking age?
 
joko104 said:
Shouldn't the age to buy soda, candy and anything else with sugar be raised to age 21? Also, a person should be at least 21 before they can buy or have salt from any restaurant or store. All those are attributed to being leading causes of death. Of course no one should be able to drive until 21 for safety's sake.

Definitely no one is mature enough to vote until at least age 21.
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I don't know about the salt... that seems a bit over the top, but certainly sugar without their parents written permission although I think that age should be 25 years of age when the brain is fully developed.
 
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