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Ohio Reliably Red?

TurtleDude said:
he's a control freak-he's one of those rich elitists that so many liberals complain about but they seem to give him a pass because he wants to limit rights that liberals don't like. From trying to ban guns to preventing people from drinking soda pop, he's one of those assholes who thinks he is smarter than anyone else. And he's essentially a lying ass hole too. Anyone who thinks they know better than i do what I need for my own self defense is not someone I'd ever trust to hold office. and anyone who thinks he should tell people what they can drink or eat-that's too anal for me
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That is such BS and intellectually dishonest. He tried to help solve an obesity and diabetes epidemic. God forbid you couldn't supersize your soda. Come on, everyone was still able to buy soda. You have no answer for the epidemic which is helping to make healthcare even more unaffordable. He probably does think he's smarter and he is probably right in many circumstances. The scum bag 5 deferment cadet bone spurs 9thinks he's smarter than everyone and that doesn't seem to bother you. As to guns we are going to continue to disagree.
 
Hari Seldon said:
That is such BS and intellectually dishonest. He tried to help solve an obesity and diabetes epidemic. God forbid you couldn't supersize your soda. Come on, everyone was still able to buy soda. You have no answer for the epidemic which is helping to make healthcare even more unaffordable. He probably does think he's smarter and he is probably right in many circumstances. The scum bag 5 deferment cadet bone spurs 9thinks he's smarter than everyone and that doesn't seem to bother you. As to guns we are going to continue to disagree.
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what liberties of mine has Trump tried to abrogate?
 
TurtleDude said:
what liberties of mine has Trump tried to abrogate?
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Liberty. Liberty liberty liberty liberty liberty. It's like you guys get paid every time you use that word.

And what about justice? Is justice no longer something that we should fight for? If there's one thing that this president definitely does not care about, it is justice. Not vengeance: Justice.
 
Phys251 said:
Liberty. Liberty liberty liberty liberty liberty. It's like you guys get paid every time you use that word.

And what about justice? Is justice no longer something that we should fight for? If there's one thing that this president definitely does not care about, it is justice. Not vengeance: Justice.
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what liberty?
 
Phys251 said:
Liberty. Liberty liberty liberty liberty liberty. It's like you guys get paid every time you use that word.

And what about justice? Is justice no longer something that we should fight for? If there's one thing that this president definitely does not care about, it is justice. Not vengeance: Justice.
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The word 'liberty' is used by conservatives as a way to present their authoritarian ideology as being connected to freedom.

Of course, the war on drugs, the religious right, years culture wars, and their militarization of police tells another story.
 
Ohio is now a 'lean R' state, end of story.

It's possible for Democrats to win, just as it's possible for Republicans to Michigan, but one shouldn't count on it.

Now, Arizona? That's going from light red to outright purple, and Georgia and Texas are not be far behind - though still a cycle away I think.
 
MovingPictures said:
The word 'liberty' is used by conservatives as a way to present their authoritarian ideology as being connected to freedom.

Of course, the war on drugs, the religious right, years culture wars, and their militarization of police tells another story.
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good luck finding me supporting the religious right, the war on drugs or the militarization of the police
 
Perotista said:
States change as people move, die and are added to the voter rolls. It wasn't that long ago Virginia was reliable red, now it's reliable blue. There aren't that many so called swing states left. 40 at least are almost pre-determined. I'd still classify Ohio as a swing state.

In quite a lot of states red or blue can be determined by turnout. Also people look at Governors and senators differently than president. Even Massachusetts will elect a Republican governor or senator every once in a blue moon as blue as that state is.
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I always found that an oddity!
 
JANFU said:
Nope- age- education levels- older population, higher educated moving out of State for work has shifted the vote to a more Red than Blue State

The opposite is occurring in many Southern States
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You know that's a pretty good point, I think. And of course with education, comes greater earnings power, both of which are Dem demographics.
 
Cameron said:
Ohio is a pragmatic state. Their statewide elected officials, whether they are Republicans or Democrats, are generally fairly moderate. I think it will remain a swing state to the extent Dems nominate people who appeal to independents.
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Ex: Connor Lamb.
 
Hari Seldon said:
I'm hoping for Bloomberg. I think he did a good job as Mayor of NYC and he is 10 times richer then 5 deferment cadet bone spurs. He would wipe the floor with him in any debate.
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But do we really need another NY billionaire, bringing his buddies in to run the government? The current NY billionaire isn't working-out too well, so pardon me for being a bit gun-shy on NY billionaires at the moment.
 
MovingPictures said:
The word 'liberty' is used by conservatives as a way to present their authoritarian ideology as being connected to freedom.

Of course, the war on drugs, the religious right, years culture wars, and their militarization of police tells another story.
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Great point!

I cringe whenever a Conservative says "liberty", because it usually means they're impressing some form of authoritarian ideology on everyone else.
 
Chomsky said:
But do we really need another NY billionaire, bringing his buddies in to run the government? The current NY billionaire isn't working-out too well, so pardon me for being a bit gun-shy on NY billionaires at the moment.
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The current scumbag is not a billionaire. He did well with NYC. Didn't kiss either sides ass.
 
Chomsky said:
Great point!

I cringe whenever a Conservative says "liberty", because it usually means they're impressing some form of authoritarian ideology on everyone else.
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That, and conservatives standing in Arlington cemetery wrapped in a flag for campaign ads, are as American as apple pie at this point.
 
Hari Seldon said:
The current scumbag is not a billionaire. He did well with NYC. Didn't kiss either sides ass.
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I just think this time round, I'd like someone making a more modest working professional's salary, similar to the Obama's when they entered the White House. Due to the Obama's humble beginnings and moderate earnings, I found them very relate-able.
 
Chomsky said:
But do we really need another NY billionaire, bringing his buddies in to run the government? The current NY billionaire isn't working-out too well, so pardon me for being a bit gun-shy on NY billionaires at the moment.
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Billionaire? That POS in the WH would be lucky to be worth $250 million, forget a billion.

It's probably like $150 million, which would go a long way of explaining why he refuses to release his tax returns.
 
MovingPictures said:
Billionaire? That POS in the WH would be lucky to be worth $250 million, forget a billion.

It's probably like $150 million, which would go a long way of explaining why he refuses to release his tax returns.
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Come 3 JAN 2019, those days of tax return refusal are gone! And I think it's going to be pretty interesting ...
 
Chomsky said:
Come 3 JAN 2019, those days of tax return refusal are gone! And I think it's going to be pretty interesting ...
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I don't know, he might take it to the SC, and who knows how the conservative wing will rule.
 
Chomsky said:
You know that's a pretty good point, I think. And of course with education, comes greater earnings power, both of which are Dem demographics.
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Ohio used to be mostly controlled by the heavy industrial cities up north, which were all D. Those days are long gone. Now, the money in Ohio is further south. As mentioned, the areas around Columbus and Cincinnati are where the growth is.

Politically, Cincinnati is really Kentucky. Mitch McConnell would win there, without a doubt. But, that should not be a surprise, since Cincinnati is only one bridge away from his state. The area North of it is heavily invested in defense, especially aerospace. And, those people are always dyed in the wool Right Wing.

Columbus is a little more diverse. It would be thought of as being a lot like a small city in the Northeastern US, like Hartford, but it's still has that flavor of West Virginia to it. Maybe the best city to compare Columbus, Ohio to is Indianapolis: socially conservative but progressive economically.

Maybe that is what is happening here in Ohio. We are becoming more like Indiana: a state still mad at its northern half for all those years the Union voters forced their hand to the left. :shrug:
 
Chomsky said:
I always found that an oddity!
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California had a Republican Governor, Arnold. Illinois just defeated their GOP governor. Senator Brown from Massachusetts, Maryland has a GOP governor. Heck, even Alabama now has a Democratic senator. Along that line Montana had two Republican senators, now one. Was it ten or twelve years ago, both Dakota's had Democratic senators.

There was a time when most or should I say a lot of states usually elected one from each party. The big exception back in those days was the south which was solid Democratic. Back in the era of the yeller dog democrats. I think Gingrich in 1994 nationalized the races for governors and senators instead of them being just a local state issue and hence the huge change. Even my tiny Reform Party was able to elect a governor in Minnesota.

I think the people of the deep red or blue state must be angry at the incumbent or their party for something they did really wrong. Either that, or they just choose a really bad candidate.
 
calamity said:
Are the days of Ohio serving as a swing state over?

Sure, we have a D senator who won by a fairly comfortable margin, but the GOP winning gubernatorial candidate was actually a bad candidate, far less qualified than the D challenger. But, that R behind the name gave him a fairly safe win.

House districts here are overwhelmingly R (75%). And, the state legislature is no better.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/election-results/ohio/?utm_term=.a021217bf1e0
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Not by a long shot. Ohio is a bit like Texas in the sense that you can generally count on the big cities (Columbus, Cincinnati, Cleveland, and Toledo) to deliver for Democrats but it’s death by a thousand papercuts if you don’t appeal to moderates and independents in the rural counties. I think it was his support for Issue 1 that killed him and I’m not convinced he was all in anyway.
 
Napoleon said:
Not by a long shot. Ohio is a bit like Texas in the sense that you can generally count on the big cities (Columbus, Cincinnati, Cleveland, and Toledo) to deliver for Democrats but it’s death by a thousand papercuts if you don’t appeal to moderates and independents in the rural counties. I think it was his support for Issue 1 that killed him and I’m not convinced he was all in anyway.
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I guess that I should see the keg half full.
 
Chomsky said:
You know that's a pretty good point, I think. And of course with education, comes greater earnings power, both of which are Dem demographics.
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really?
 
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