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Trump Backs Kris Kobach in Kansas Race, Against Republican Advice

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/06/...ule=Recommendation&src=rechp&WT.nav=RecEngine

President Trump turned aside the advice of party officials and intervened in the Kansas Republican primary for governor Monday, throwing his support behind the polarizing secretary of state, Kris Kobach, one day before voters go to the polls there.

In a tweet that Republican governors and some of his own aides had sought to avert, Mr. Trump called Mr. Kobach “a fantastic guy” and offered his “full & total endorsement.”
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Kobach, father of the notorious Interstate Crosscheck voter suppression system, is currently Kansas A/G but is running for governor in that state. It will be interesting to see what the 'Trump Effect' has on the outcome of this race.
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/06/...ule=Recommendation&src=rechp&WT.nav=RecEngine

President Trump turned aside the advice of party officials and intervened in the Kansas Republican primary for governor Monday, throwing his support behind the polarizing secretary of state, Kris Kobach, one day before voters go to the polls there.

In a tweet that Republican governors and some of his own aides had sought to avert, Mr. Trump called Mr. Kobach “a fantastic guy” and offered his “full & total endorsement.”
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Kobach, father of the notorious Interstate Crosscheck voter suppression system, is currently Kansas A/G but is running for governor in that state. It will be interesting to see what the 'Trump Effect' has on the outcome of this race.
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Not sure how much effect it will have but Kobach is doing well here so far. I think he's pretty much a shoe-in anyway.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Not sure how much effect it will have but Kobach is doing well here so far. I think he's pretty much a shoe-in anyway.
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That's too bad, Kansas has enough problems already. Kobach never met a vote he didn't want to suppress.
 
JacksinPA said:
That's too bad, Kansas has enough problems already. Kobach never met a vote he didn't want to suppress.
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He's running not on votes this time but on keeping illegals out and not allowing the to receive in-state tuition. He has a lot of support there.

By the way, he wasn't actually the "father" of the CrossCheck system, but he was Sec of State and he pushed it.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Not sure how much effect it will have but Kobach is doing well here so far. I think he's pretty much a shoe-in anyway.
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I think Colyer would be a shoo-in. Kobach would be closer to a toss up and that’s only because Greg Orman is running as a third party. Kobach’s consistently turned in horrible approval ratings with only slightly positive ratings even among Republicans. That jives with the anecdotal evidence of people I know in that state who voted Brownback twice, worked on Moran’s campaign, and absolutely despise Kobach and plan to vote Orman. Combine all that with the fact Brownback only barely eked out a win in what was otherwise a very favorable Republican year in 2014, I think it’s difficult to suggest Kobach’s a shoo-in.
 
Kansas deserves what it gets. If it wants a guv who causes the state to fall far behind neighboring states economically (Brownback), so be it. If it wants to then elect this SoS who had a large hand in the infamous Arizona SB1070 law, which was not only found to be un-Constitutional but also played a big role in the demise of Sheriff Joke....so be it. Kansas used to be moderate, it is now the land of Know-Nothings, and Kobach is chief among them.
 
JacksinPA said:
Brownbach squeezing the budgets & the school funding problems. I've heard that major universities have 'redlined' applications from Kansas students as a result.

https://wtop.com/education/2018/06/kansas-supreme-court-rules-school-funding-inadequate/
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I've not heard about the redlining thing - that's probably bogus, but we've been having issues over school funding for quite a while.

Interestingly, Kansas already spends a higher percentage of the state budget than many other states, and that's what's driving the discontent.

On the economic thing, we've seen some misleading articles. They tend to state (truthfully) that Kansas did not see as great an increase in economic recovery (in specific years) as neighboring states. But they forget to mention that Kansas was not impacted as harshly by the recession as the other states so it didn't have as far to come back.

The only reason the media ever started paying attention to Kansas was because the liberals thought they had a shot at seeing Brownback lose in 2014. The attacks on Kansas started then and they haven't let up since. But, as a Kansas business owner, I can tell you that not everything you read is accurate.

I won't be voting for Kobach, but I predict that he will win.
 
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I think Colyer would be a shoo-in. Kobach would be closer to a toss up and that’s only because Greg Orman is running as a third party. Kobach’s consistently turned in horrible approval ratings with only slightly positive ratings even among Republicans. That jives with the anecdotal evidence of people I know in that state who voted Brownback twice, worked on Moran’s campaign, and absolutely despise Kobach and plan to vote Orman. Combine all that with the fact Brownback only barely eked out a win in what was otherwise a very favorable Republican year in 2014, I think it’s difficult to suggest Kobach’s a shoo-in.
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Colyer's done a decent job to date, but I think Kobach will pull it out.

538 agrees with you, however. I think this is going to be an interesting one!

Elevated to the office early this year after the resignation of Sam Brownback, Gov. Jeff Colyer is running for his first full term. But first he has to beat Secretary of State Kris Kobach in the Republican primary. Kobach is the rare down-ballot state executive to have a national profile, thanks to his divisive role on President Trump’s Commission on Election Integrity and zealous efforts to prosecute voter fraud (despite scant evidence that it exists in any abundance). That’s left him with a higher profile than Colyer but also higher unfavorable ratings among Republicans.

Embarrassing headlines have beset Kobach throughout the campaign: In April, he was held in contempt for disobeying a court order. In June, a court overturned his main policy priority, a law requiring that Kansans provide proof of citizenship when registering to vote, as unconstitutional. Just last week, ProPublica reported on how Kobach — doing his best Lyle Lanley impression — convinced several small towns to pass strict anti-immigration ordinances, then personally profited from defending them in court, with little success. There’s little question that Kobach is Republicans’ weakest play in the general election: A mid-July poll showed Colyer leading Kelly by 10 points, but Kobach trailing the Democrat by 1.
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/primary-briefing-missouri-kansas-michigan-and-washington/
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Kansas deserves what it gets. If it wants a guv who causes the state to fall far behind neighboring states economically (Brownback), so be it. If it wants to then elect this SoS who had a large hand in the infamous Arizona SB1070 law, which was not only found to be un-Constitutional but also played a big role in the demise of Sheriff Joke....so be it. Kansas used to be moderate, it is now the land of Know-Nothings, and Kobach is chief among them.
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Every state deserves what it gets. But, Kansas never fell behind the neighboring states, that was a bit of misleading propaganda.

Kansas has never been moderate -- it's deep red territory here.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Every state deserves what it gets. But, Kansas never fell behind the neighboring states, that was a bit of misleading propaganda.
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Bull.



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“Kansas loses patience with Gov. Brownback’s tax cuts” | Econbrowser

Prof Chinn has studied this for years, you know not of what you speak.

Kansas has never been moderate -- it's deep red territory here.
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Bob Dole was not a right winger.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Bull.



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“Kansas loses patience with Gov. Brownback’s tax cuts” | Econbrowser

Prof Chinn has studied this for years, you know not of what you speak.
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I already explained the misleading graphs denoting economic recovery seeing as Kansas never dropped as low as neighboring states in the recession, hence a more moderate recovery was not only expected, but healthier.

Bob Dole was not a right winger.
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He was more moderate, to be sure, but he had the support of the far-right.
 
HowardBThiname said:
I already explained the misleading graphs denoting economic recovery seeing as Kansas never dropped as low as neighboring states in the recession, hence a more moderate recovery was not only expected, but healthier.
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Sure. this is a sign of a "healthy recovery":

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He was more moderate, to be sure, but he had the support of the far-right.
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It was not an argument about "rw support". You moved the goal post as you needed to do.

My mother was from KS, her siblings lived there, we traveled there extensively in the 60's and 70's, I never felt or saw it as a rw state. Her sister was a liberal Judge in Colby, an artist at home. Norton was a typical farm town, very moderate. The state became rw, Brownback retarded your economy, Kobach will make it worse. You get what you deserve.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Not sure how much effect it will have but Kobach is doing well here so far. I think he's pretty much a shoe-in anyway.
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Here in JoCo all I see are Colyer signs. I don't know about the rest of the state, but if you were look at the Kansas suburbs of KCMO, you would think Colyer was a shoe-in.
 
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HowardBThiname said:
Every state deserves what it gets. But, Kansas never fell behind the neighboring states, that was a bit of misleading propaganda.

Kansas has never been moderate -- it's deep red territory here.
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When we moved up here back in 99, the governor of Kansas was Bill Graves (a moderate Republican), the congressman for the 3rd district was Dennis Moore (a moderate Democrat), and the moderate wing of the state Republican Party controlled the legislator. Now, I will grant you that Kansas has always been a red state, but it is a lot more red today than it used to be.

Economically, Kansas benefits from having a million of it's citizens in the Kansas City metro. They would not have the tax revenue to pave a road in Western Kansas if it were not for wealth transfers from Johnson County taxpayers.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
When we moved up here back in 99, the governor of Kansas was Bill Graves (a moderate Republican), the congressman for the 3rd district was Dennis Moore (a moderate Democrat), and the moderate wing of the state Republican Party controlled the legislator. Now, I will grant you that Kansas has always been a red state, but it is a lot more red today than it used to be.

Economically, Kansas benefits from having a million of it's citizens in the Kansas City metro. They would not have the tax revenue to pave a road in Western Kansas if it were not for wealth transfers from Johnson County taxpayers.
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Love Bill Graves! I worked on his campaign and went to his inauguration party. He and my neighbor went to Wesleyan together so my neighbor ran the local campaign and I volunteered. I remember when he and Linda adopted Katie -- not sure where she is now. But, he came to a party my neighbor hosted just before the end of his second term. The conversation got around to suggesting that he run for President. He declined but he also said that being governor had opened his eyes. He said before that he had no idea how much corruption goes on the State House. I still think he would be a good president but he was happy to go back to the trucking business.

I agree that Kansas is more red today, but those people were always around -- for them -- it's religion before politics. When Finney ran, they switched because she was prolife.

We live in an interesting state for sure.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Here in JoCo all I see are Colyer signs. I don't know about the rest of the state, but if you were look at the Kansas suburbs of KCMO, you would think Colyer was a shoe-in.
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That could be -- I'm in the center and pretty much in the buckle of the Bible Belt. Here, Kobach is king, but it will be interesting to see how this one turns out. I changed from Rep to Unaffiliated in 2016, so I'll be sitting the primary out. I've heard you can declare a party the day of the election, vote and then change back again, but that seems like a nuisance. I'll just wait for the general.
 
HowardBThiname said:
That could be -- I'm in the center and pretty much in the buckle of the Bible Belt. Here, Kobach is king, but it will be interesting to see how this one turns out. I changed from Rep to Unaffiliated in 2016, so I'll be sitting the primary out. I've heard you can declare a party the day of the election, vote and then change back again, but that seems like a nuisance. I'll just wait for the general.
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I change my party affiliation just about every election depending on which primary I want to vote in. There is a date you have to do it by to vote in that primary (unless you start out unaffiliated). I missed it this year, otherwise I would have switched to vote for Colyer.

I have never liked Kobach. I didn't like him back when he ran for the 3rd district in 2004, and I don't like him now. My fear with him though is that he is viewed as so nativist and anti-immigrant, that should he be elected governor, there will be a lot of pressure on high tech companies on the Kansas side to move to the Missouri side. I work in Missouri anyway, so I am not worried about myself, but rather I think it will be bad for the state's long term economy. You got companies like Cerner, Garmin, Perceptive software and others with either headquarters or a very significant presence on the Kansas side of the metro. Right now the IT job market is very tight. Companies are having a hard time filling highly skilled positions. So they are having to recruit from all over to fill them. You will a lot of prospective employees saying they don't want to work in Kansas because of Kobach and that will put a lot of pressure on those companies to move to KCMO - and don't think KCMO won't be ginning it up too (saying things like "a state that would elect Kobach doesn't want immigrants...") Those are highly paid jobs. One of the founders of Garmin is an immigrant. A lot of highly paid jobs around here are for companies founded or managed by immigrants. KCMO will look really good to them if Kansas elects a guy like Kobach.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
I change my party affiliation just about every election depending on which primary I want to vote in. There is a date you have to do it by to vote in that primary (unless you start out unaffiliated). I missed it this year, otherwise I would have switched to vote for Colyer.
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That's interesting. Before I became unaffiliated, I was GOP for years - mostly because here in Mac the elections are, for the most part, decided in the GOP primaries. If someone comes along that I really like, I'll consider switching again.

I have never liked Kobach. I didn't like him back when he ran for the 3rd district in 2004, and I don't like him now. My fear with him though is that he is viewed as so nativist and anti-immigrant, that should he be elected governor, there will be a lot of pressure on high tech companies on the Kansas side to move to the Missouri side.
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His strong religious leanings bother me -- in fact, you know who he reminds me of? Phil Kline. Wasn't he from your neck of the woods? That guy was a piece of work. I wonder what ever happened to him.

I work in Missouri anyway, so I am not worried about myself, but rather I think it will be bad for the state's long term economy. You got companies like Cerner, Garmin, Perceptive software and others with either headquarters or a very significant presence on the Kansas side of the metro. Right now the IT job market is very tight. Companies are having a hard time filling highly skilled positions. So they are having to recruit from all over to fill them. You will a lot of prospective employees saying they don't want to work in Kansas because of Kobach and that will put a lot of pressure on those companies to move to KCMO - and don't think KCMO won't be ginning it up too (saying things like "a state that would elect Kobach doesn't want immigrants...") Those are highly paid jobs. One of the founders of Garmin is an immigrant. A lot of highly paid jobs around here are for companies founded or managed by immigrants. KCMO will look really good to them if Kansas elects a guy like Kobach.
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Relocating is expensive, though, even if it's just a few miles away. Those employers have buildings or leases and local employees. We're talking millions of dollars to relocate across the state border. Some may say that -- but I highly doubt many, if any, would do that.

Is the IT market really that tight? Are you in the industry? It's interesting to me because my son is in IT and so far, it looks as if it's going to be a good career.

Back to Kobach -- I won't vote for him, but around here, he's all they talk about -- Kobach, Kobach, Kobach. Of course, we're pretty heavy farm country here -- and oil.
 
HowardBThiname said:
That's interesting. Before I became unaffiliated, I was GOP for years - mostly because here in Mac the elections are, for the most part, decided in the GOP primaries. If someone comes along that I really like, I'll consider switching again.



His strong religious leanings bother me -- in fact, you know who he reminds me of? Phil Kline. Wasn't he from your neck of the woods? That guy was a piece of work. I wonder what ever happened to him.



Relocating is expensive, though, even if it's just a few miles away. Those employers have buildings or leases and local employees. We're talking millions of dollars to relocate across the state border. Some may say that -- but I highly doubt many, if any, would do that.

Is the IT market really that tight? Are you in the industry? It's interesting to me because my son is in IT and so far, it looks as if it's going to be a good career.

Back to Kobach -- I won't vote for him, but around here, he's all they talk about -- Kobach, Kobach, Kobach. Of course, we're pretty heavy farm country here -- and oil.
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I am in the IT industry. The job market in IT is as tight as its been since the dot-com boom. The best advice I can give your son is that he will have to move to a major city. You can get IT jobs even in smaller cities, but the high paying ones where you get to work with more cutting edge tech is going to be in a major city. For example, KC, Minneapolis, Denver, Dallas, or Houston.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I am in the IT industry. The job market in IT is as tight as its been since the dot-com boom. The best advice I can give your son is that he will have to move to a major city. You can get IT jobs even in smaller cities, but the high paying ones where you get to work with more cutting edge tech is going to be in a major city. For example, KC, Minneapolis, Denver, Dallas, or Houston.
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Thanks, I'm going to pass that on to him. Right now, he's the Assistant Director of IS at the university where he studied computer science. After his Sophomore year he became a work/study and then the guy who was in the Assistant position died. My son was very nervous about taking his spot but the university encouraged him to apply and he got it. It slowed his degree because he couldn't go full time, but the college paid for all his studies after that. Since then the university has paid for numerous other courses that keep adding initials to his resume and, if he waits it out, he's positioned to step into the Director's spot when that guy steps down. But I know my son, even though he's making a good salary, he would like to get into some other areas (defense and things like that) -- so I'll let him know what you said. I know he feels a little indebted to them because they hired him before he was degreed, but it never hurts to broaden horizons. Right?

Thank you.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Yeah it looks like its within 200 votes. Colyer won by a huge margin in JoCo, but it looks like Kobach dominated in Central and Western Kansas.
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Yes, it's interesting -- just as both of us perceived from our local vantage points. I heard a press conference from Kobach and he said that either (losing) candidate would likely ask for a recount if the vote were close but that, unlike a recount in the general election, which is paid for by the state, a candidate has to pay for his own recount in the primary. At least initially -- and he said it's expensive -- but if the candidate wins, then the districts have to refund the money spent on the recount.

That could be a real deterrent to a recount in the primary.

The provisional ballots, from what I understand, have yet to be counted though and that could change things.
 
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