Why did Farmers vote for #45

Linc · Jul 28, 2018

1. Because they’re not Deplorables, in any way, shape or form. This was the ultimate smear in their faces.

2. Because they’re not part of the 47% taker class, which Romney spoke of. That’s why so many of them voted for Obama in 2012. I won’t start on who the real Gilded takers are.

3. They’re like the conservative folks in Northern California being devastated by Fires. Those awesome California folks need our immediate $$$ in cash, and supplies to get them through this short-term catastrophe. Please HELP them. I’ve seen 40 years of these weather-related maladies on the Farm, and we ask our Creator why?

4. Because they love the NRA, though the NRA has forgotten its original fabulous mission of gun SAFETY, gun fun with skilled shooting contests, (My 30-year Air Force Father was a prolific skeet-shooter) gun hunting for awesome food, the critically necessary gun culture of the USA dating back to the 1760s;

AAA. Just arrived at FARM DAYS in in our town here in Illinois. Dozens of very close farm friends. They LOVE my farmer’s daughter.

5. Because we absolutely need guns on the farm, to kill worthless, problematic, diseased, destructive and dangerous farm animals. I can’t wait until I blast one of these animals.

My next post, in about an hour, will focus on farm jobs and farm economics.

<alt>doxygen · Jul 28, 2018

Linc said:
1. Because they’re not Deplorables, in any way, shape or form. This was the ultimate smear in their faces.

2. Because they’re not part of the 47% taker class, which Romney spoke of. That’s why so many of them voted for Obama in 2012. I won’t start on who the real Gilded takers are.

3. They’re like the conservative folks in Northern California being devastated by Fires. Those awesome California folks need our immediate $$$ in cash, and supplies to get them through this short-term catastrophe. Please HELP them. I’ve seen 40 years of these weather-related maladies on the Farm, and we ask our Creator why?

4. Because they love the NRA, though the NRA has forgotten its original fabulous mission of gun SAFETY, gun fun with skilled shooting contests, (My 30-year Air Force Father was a prolific skeet-shooter) gun hunting for awesome food, the critically necessary gun culture of the USA dating back to the 1760s;

AAA. Just arrived at FARM DAYS in in our town here in Illinois. Dozens of very close farm friends. They LOVE my farmer’s daughter.

5. Because we absolutely need guns on the farm, to kill worthless, problematic, diseased, destructive and dangerous farm animals. I can’t wait until I blast one of these animals.

My next post, in about an hour, will focus on farm jobs and farm economics.

My family owned a farm in rural GA from the mid 1800's until about 10 years ago. We started breaking it up and selling it off because none of the current offspring wanted to work it. I'm not exactly sure how they feel about Trump now, but I do know some of them voted for him.

They should have seen this coming. Trump doesn't think things through at all. But he promised this:
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...promise/1411/raise-tariffs-goods-imported-us/

...and he kept the promise. It's on the voting population to think a few moves ahead and decide if they want to deal with the ramifications and blowback. None of those countries that Trump wants to 'punish' are completely without tools to fight back.

I'm hoping congress legislates the tariff gun out of Trump's hands.

Linc · Jul 28, 2018

Auction coming up soon on an incredible wood-sculpture of an OWL. DI will love this one. Nothing is more natural than wood. Wood is back folks, in a huge way. Wood-Cellulose products are replacing plastic products around the Globe, outside of the USA.

One wood stock on the stock market I’m following very closely is up 23% already this year. Farms have an incredible wealth of Homestead Act trees back to the 1860s.

Those old farmers had the good sense to save Everything, and I mean everything. We are so very Blessed for that.

Pulled Briscuit is awesome, so many great stories to tell you of our Farm Days.

Linc · Jul 28, 2018

<alt>doxygen said:
My family owned a farm in rural GA from the mid 1800's until about 10 years ago. We started breaking it up and selling it off because none of the current offspring wanted to work it. I'm not exactly sure how they feel about Trump now, but I do know some of them voted for him.

They should have seen this coming. Trump doesn't think things through at all. But he promised this:
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...promise/1411/raise-tariffs-goods-imported-us/

...and he kept the promise. It's on the voting population to think a few moves ahead and decide if they want to deal with the ramifications and blowback. None of those countries that Trump wants to 'punish' are completely without tools to fight back.

I'm hoping congress legislates the tariff gun out of Trump's hands.

We’re having Farm Days right now in my town. We now enter the most glorious month of the year for Farmers, State and County Fairs. Everyone needs to take their kids and learn how our Great Nation was born and built.

<alt>doxygen · Jul 28, 2018

Linc said:
We’re having Farm Days right now in my town. We now enter the most glorious month of the year for Farmers, State and County Fairs. Everyone needs to take their kids and learn how our Great Nation was born and built.

That brings back memories. I never got to go to the county or state fairs in GA, but we went to the county fair every year where I grew up. The animals never really interested me, but I loved the big farm gear, combines and the like.

No Farms, No Food. Sadly most of the family farms have been sold off to corporations. I wonder how my uncle would feel about the tariffs. He quit growing tobacco in the late 60's when he quit smoking and put soybeans into the rotation. His big crops were soybeans, peanuts, and corn. Those plots of land are all being subdivided and made into commercial and housing spaces.

Enjoy your time there. Hope your family/friends all come through this stuff okay.

eace

Linc · Jul 28, 2018

<alt>doxygen said:
That brings back memories. I never got to go to the county or state fairs in GA, but we went to the county fair every year where I grew up. The animals never really interested me, but I loved the big farm gear, combines and the like.

No Farms, No Food. Sadly most of the family farms have been sold off to corporations. I wonder how my uncle would feel about the tariffs. He quit growing tobacco in the late 60's when he quit smoking and put soybeans into the rotation. His big crops were soybeans, peanuts, and corn. Those plots of land are all being subdivided and made into commercial and housing spaces.

Enjoy your time there. Hope your family/friends all come through this stuff okay.eace

I’m so very pleased to say that We are already through this with recent, present, and future actions and thinking.

I’m flying out of the atmosphere from Farm Days. Probably won’t get to OP 2.0 until tomorrow. Too much thinking and notes.

Watched a blacksmith today — so cool — will definitely start going to our county orgs like this — he is an awesome former parent of two awesome former students I taught with a Mother who is a close retired Teacher friend —

I could go on for hours about the incredible people and NEW farm contacts I made at our Farm Days in our town today here in Illinois —

Please see a post I made on the thread about an illegal immigrant Mother married to a Marine and two kids. As I told my Wife, I am now complete. I’ve graduated to Eisenhower thinker. My Creator can now do as what will happen.

Parrish · Jul 28, 2018

Are farmers affected by tariffs in CA or other states being bailed out? What about the avocado and pistachio farmers, for a start?

Common Sense 1 · Jul 28, 2018

Here Are 5 Issues That Caused Farmers To Vote For Trump

By Dan Nosowitz on November 23, 2016

Waters of the United States Rule

The Waters of the United States Rule is an attempt to fight water pollution at its source. Waterways—streams, rivers, underground springs, ponds, lakes—are often polluted, and that pollution comes in part from runoff from farms. Silt, fertilizer, and pesticides leach out of farmland and into water sources. A problem! Without a doubt.I t’s a fairly arcane bit of law, little-known outside the agricultural community. It was remarkably canny for Trump to specifically mention it. (Hillary Clinton did not.)

Estate Tax

The estate tax resonates in the agriculture community in a similar way: farmers, much more than other industries, tend to pass down land and assets through generations and have long been concerned about the cost of taking over a parents’ farm. Memes passed around Facebook stated that Clinton’s proposal of a slight expansion of the estate tax would increase it to 65 percent and force farmers to give up family farms. To farmers, a multi-generational farm is a personal, emotional thing; this is their livelihood, their home, their identity. A threat to take it away is a dire thing.

The Renewable Fuel Standard

In that one Iowa speech, Trump pledged to protect the Renewable Fuel Standard of 2005, which mandates a certain amount of biofuel added to the fuel supply each year. And while this may sound like a very left-wing area of concern, remember that biofuel is largely produced by corn farmers, and Iowa is the country’s leading producer.

The Affordable Care Act

Healthcare is in the same mold. The Affordable Care Act, better known as Obamacare, has attracted intense anger from farmers, largely because of the unusual way the industry works. Agriculture relies on farm contractors who work sort of like temp agencies: these contractors have many employees who are sent to various farms at various times of the year for various tasks.

Minimum Wage For Farm Workers

Clinton proposed a $15 minimum wage and overtime for farm workers, another increase Trump neglected to mention. Organizations like the New York Farm Bureau, associated with the larger Farm Bureau, oppose the minimum wage increase, claiming it would depress profits even further. The NYFB did not mention the $30 million set aside to help farmers pay for increased wages, again stoking fear for issues that aren’t really issues at all.

The common thread here is that all these issues can be portrayed as attempts by an intrusive government to regulate and ruin the lives of farmers.

https://modernfarmer.com/2016/11/5-issues-caused-farmers-vote-trump/

Linc · Jul 28, 2018

Common Sense 1 said:
Here Are 5 Issues That Caused Farmers To Vote For Trump

By Dan Nosowitz on November 23, 2016

Waters of the United States Rule

The Waters of the United States Rule is an attempt to fight water pollution at its source. Waterways—streams, rivers, underground springs, ponds, lakes—are often polluted, and that pollution comes in part from runoff from farms. Silt, fertilizer, and pesticides leach out of farmland and into water sources. A problem! Without a doubt.I t’s a fairly arcane bit of law, little-known outside the agricultural community. It was remarkably canny for Trump to specifically mention it. (Hillary Clinton did not.)

Estate Tax

The estate tax resonates in the agriculture community in a similar way: farmers, much more than other industries, tend to pass down land and assets through generations and have long been concerned about the cost of taking over a parents’ farm. Memes passed around Facebook stated that Clinton’s proposal of a slight expansion of the estate tax would increase it to 65 percent and force farmers to give up family farms. To farmers, a multi-generational farm is a personal, emotional thing; this is their livelihood, their home, their identity. A threat to take it away is a dire thing.

The Renewable Fuel Standard

In that one Iowa speech, Trump pledged to protect the Renewable Fuel Standard of 2005, which mandates a certain amount of biofuel added to the fuel supply each year. And while this may sound like a very left-wing area of concern, remember that biofuel is largely produced by corn farmers, and Iowa is the country’s leading producer.

The Affordable Care Act

Healthcare is in the same mold. The Affordable Care Act, better known as Obamacare, has attracted intense anger from farmers, largely because of the unusual way the industry works. Agriculture relies on farm contractors who work sort of like temp agencies: these contractors have many employees who are sent to various farms at various times of the year for various tasks.

Minimum Wage For Farm Workers

Clinton proposed a $15 minimum wage and overtime for farm workers, another increase Trump neglected to mention. Organizations like the New York Farm Bureau, associated with the larger Farm Bureau, oppose the minimum wage increase, claiming it would depress profits even further. The NYFB did not mention the $30 million set aside to help farmers pay for increased wages, again stoking fear for issues that aren’t really issues at all.

The common thread here is that all these issues can be portrayed as attempts by an intrusive government to regulate and ruin the lives of farmers.

https://modernfarmer.com/2016/11/5-issues-caused-farmers-vote-trump/

Respect given for your presentation. Appreciate this necessary input. A great amount of thinking is required for a proper response.

I’m a bit off of farm time back here in Illinois, and will respond ASAP, tomorrow. The five essential points you presented look to be a fascinating discussion, with what I Love and really Crave, new learning to help my people.

I will say, of all the things I’ve learned all year on the farm, it’s all about working together on the farm (no politics, ever) to save MARGIN, margin on and in every conceivable situation.

I’m so into the actual machinations of everything agriculture. I’m now a beginning farm manager and worker due to advanced age and needing me.

I’ve got a huge and well-known farm family on my Dad’s side. I’ll dangle an anhydrous ammonia plant in Garner, Iowa going on line in 2020; farmer owned; guaranteed short in supply ammonia; cut in margin when you invest $$,$$$

calamity · Jul 28, 2018

Deplorables were only half of Trump's original base. Now...maybe 75%.

The rest were just good people who believed the Carnival barker.

Hawkeye10 · Jul 28, 2018

Years upon years of lies from the most powerful people in Washington, as they refused to listen , as the country went downhill is your answer.

It was time for someone different, and Trump boy he figured this out that there was this great anger and hunger in America, so he decided to be as different as he could manage.

calamity · Jul 28, 2018

Hawkeye10 said:
Years upon years of lies from the most powerful people in Washington, as they refused to listen , as the country went downhill is your answer.

It was time for someone different, and Trump boy he figured this out that there was this great anger and hunger in America, so he decided to be as different as he could manage.

So, they elected the biggest liar of all. :lamo

Yeah...that makes sense.

They liked that Trump picked on brown people. Blaming them for all our ills put it all in a simple package--people like simple packages.

Hawkeye10 · Jul 28, 2018

calamity said:
So, they elected the biggest liar of all. :lamo

Yeah...that makes sense.

They liked that Trump picked on brown people. Blaming them for all our ills put it all in a simple package--people like simple packages.

A lot of them took Trump as the most honest national politician seen in ages.

Parrish · Jul 28, 2018

Hawkeye10 said:
Years upon years of lies from the most powerful people in Washington, as they refused to listen , as the country went downhill is your answer.

It was time for someone different, and Trump boy he figured this out that there was this great anger and hunger in America, so he decided to be as different as he could manage.

3 million v. <80,000 votes a mandate does not make.

calamity · Jul 28, 2018

Hawkeye10 said:
A lot of them took Trump as the most honest national politician seen in ages.

Stupid is as stupid does

Hawkeye10 · Jul 28, 2018

calamity said:
Stupid is as stupid does

A great many of those farmers who voted for Trump are salt of the Earth people.

It is a real shame that you dont know this much about America.

Even a lot of the huge corporate farmers are Good People.

calamity · Jul 29, 2018

Hawkeye10 said:
A great many of those farmers who voted for Trump are salt of the Earth people.

It is a real shame that you dont know this much about America.

Even a lot of the huge corporate farmers are Good People.

gulfman · Jul 29, 2018

I remember going to the county fair years ago.Remember the side shows or the freak shows?Pay a buck to go into a trailer and see the tattoo lady or the or the pony with two heads.I don't know if the still have the freak shows anymore.Just liberals walking around complaining about something.

HowardBThiname · Jul 29, 2018

Hawkeye10 said:
A great many of those farmers who voted for Trump are salt of the Earth people.

It is a real shame that you dont know this much about America.

Even a lot of the huge corporate farmers are Good People.

I saw a little clip on TV last night where the woman reporter was interviewing four farmers from Illinois about the tariffs. She asked who had voted for Trump and all of them said they did. Then, she asked how they now felt since the tariffs were hitting them in the pocketbook and all of them said they still supported Trump and that, as Americans, they felt it was their duty to not gripe about what they felt would be a temporary setback because they felt that Trump was doing what he thought was best for the entire country.

Listening to them made me remember what it's like to see real patriots.

Hawkeye10 · Jul 29, 2018

HowardBThiname said:
I saw a little clip on TV last night where the woman reporter was interviewing four farmers from Illinois about the tariffs. She asked who had voted for Trump and all of them said they did. Then, she asked how they now felt since the tariffs were hitting them in the pocketbook and all of them said they still supported Trump and that, as Americans, they felt it was their duty to not gripe about what they felt would be a temporary setback because they felt that Trump was doing what he thought was best for the entire country.

Listening to them made me remember what it's like to see real patriots.

Ya but then again there are not a lot remaining, because as I always say, WE USED TO BE BETTER! .

I dont see any reason to pretend about this in the vein of Harry Callahan: "A man's GOT to know his limitations".

The Truth Matters

Says the Truth Teller.

itsforthekids · Jul 29, 2018

It's really weird seeing lefties complaining about taxes.

Why did Farmers vote for #45

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