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Democrats Hope Trump-Backed Foxconn Deal Will Be Scott Walker’s Downfall

To be totally honest, I could actually see Green Bay reinventing itself in order to accommodate an enterprise like this.
It's an awful lot of reinventing, though.
Green Bay is going to have to have enough low income housing and enough infrastructure to provide adequate schools and city services for a large influx of skilled workers.

An "innovation center" isn't a manufacturing mecca, it's a design hub.
Are American college age kids able to afford the needed training to fill those jobs or is this another H-1B bonanza?
The only way I see it as a net positive for Americans is if Foxconn is willing to at least partially underwrite the necessary tech curriculum to crank out American designers.
The question is, is it more practical and cheaper for Foxconn to do that or to just ship over a few thousand immigrants who already have the training and don't mind adjusting to life in America's Dairyland, where people have already been trained to not welcome foreigners?

That's the pudding and that's the tasting. We'll know in less than six months how that is going to pan out.
 
Threegoofs said:
That is odd.. Green Bay?

Maybe they don’t need a lot of people in that location.

There’s not a lot of young, graduating engineers dying to move to Green Bay for tech jobs!
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Yeah, how about that?

Maybe it's the way the Chinese do it? Like in China, where they build these cities in the middle of nowhere, and then citizens & employers go there to populate them?

Probably won't work for Americans, but might work if they bring in their own technology staff, which is quite possible. The Japanese did that too a point, in the 80's. An example is the Matsu****a (Panasonic) plant in Franklin Park back then, when they bought Motorola's old Quasar division.

That's also how the Chinese are developing infrastructure in Africa. They bring in their own engineering and technology people, and hire locals to do the menial labor jobs. Let's face it, China has got a crap load of people, with many now highly educated and skilled in technology!
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
To be totally honest, I could actually see Green Bay reinventing itself in order to accommodate an enterprise like this.
It's an awful lot of reinventing, though.
Green Bay is going to have to have enough low income housing and enough infrastructure to provide adequate schools and city services for a large influx of skilled workers.

An "innovation center" isn't a manufacturing mecca, it's a design hub.
Are American college age kids able to afford the needed training to fill those jobs or is this another H-1B bonanza?
The only way I see it as a net positive for Americans is if Foxconn is willing to at least partially underwrite the necessary tech curriculum to crank out American designers.
The question is, is it more practical and cheaper for Foxconn to do that or to just ship over a few thousand immigrants who already have the training and don't mind adjusting to life in America's Dairyland, where people have already been trained to not welcome foreigners?

That's the pudding and that's the tasting. We'll know in less than six months how that is going to pan out.
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To do this plant thing at a minimum they would have to bring over Taiwanese workers to both operate the lines & train the newbies. Where are they going to live? Are there enough schools for their kids? Is The Donald going to fast track all the needed visas?

To do this would be an enormous enterprise, which makes me doubtful. Think purchasing, quality control & inventory on incoming parts - just to start you're talking 50-100 trained people. And that's before they put together the lines & startup manufacturing, which will be incredibly difficult. I can't see it. I've worked in manufacturing.
 
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Checkerboard Strangler said:
To be totally honest, I could actually see Green Bay reinventing itself in order to accommodate an enterprise like this.
It's an awful lot of reinventing, though.
Green Bay is going to have to have enough low income housing and enough infrastructure to provide adequate schools and city services for a large influx of skilled workers.

An "innovation center" isn't a manufacturing mecca, it's a design hub.
Are American college age kids able to afford the needed training to fill those jobs or is this another H-1B bonanza?
The only way I see it as a net positive for Americans is if Foxconn is willing to at least partially underwrite the necessary tech curriculum to crank out American designers.
The question is, is it more practical and cheaper for Foxconn to do that or to just ship over a few thousand immigrants who already have the training and don't mind adjusting to life in America's Dairyland, where people have already been trained to not welcome foreigners?

That's the pudding and that's the tasting. We'll know in less than six months how that is going to pan out.
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My experience with the Japanese buying-up American tech companies in the late 80's, says the bolded is a distinct possibility.
 
JacksinPA said:
To do this plant thing at a minimum they would have to bring over Taiwanese workers to both operate the lines & train the newbies. Where are they going to live? Are there enough schools for their kids? Is The Donald going to fast track all the needed visas?

To do this would be an enormous enterprise, which makes me doubtful. Think purchasing, quality control, inventory - just to start you're talking 50-100 trained people. And that's before they put together the lines & startup manufacturing, which will be incredibly difficult. I can't see it.
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My gut says this will be a smaller slow start, and may or may not eventually get to the large size Foxconn & Trump describe.

Foxconn, like Trump, has been known to over-promise in ventures like this. We shall see.
 
Chomsky said:
My experience with the Japanese buying-up American tech companies in the late 80's, says the bolded is a distinct possibility.
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It's probably the only way. Train them in Taiwan & China & airlift them to WI.

Imagine Green Bay getting its own Chinatown. It's like that around Apple in Cupertino where i stayed on CA business trips. Oriental markets, restaurants, the whole picture. A lot of Chinese work at Apple & they bring their culture with them.
 
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JacksinPA said:
And cold in the winter. Not Silicon Valley by any means. Hard to get skilled people to move to rural WI.
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Green Bay in particular.

I could see somewhere near Madison..weather is the same, but people WANT to live there.
 
Chomsky said:
Yeah, how about that?

Maybe it's the way the Chinese do it? Like in China, where they build these cities in the middle of nowhere, and then citizens & employers go there to populate them?

Probably won't work for Americans, but might work if they bring in their own technology staff, which is quite possible. The Japanese did that too a point, in the 80's. An example is the Matsu****a (Panasonic) plant in Franklin Park back then, when they bought Motorola's old Quasar division.

That's also how the Chinese are developing infrastructure in Africa. They bring in their own engineering and technology people, and hire locals to do the menial labor jobs. Let's face it, China has got a crap load of people, with many now highly educated and skilled in technology!
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I loled at the autocorrect.

I just don’t see an exodus of U of I computer engineers getting excited about moving to Green Bay.
 
JacksinPA said:
It's probably the only way. Train them in Taiwan & China & airlift them to WI.

Imagine Green Bay getting its own Chinatown. It's like that around Apple in Cupertino where i stayed on CA business trips. Oriental markets, restaurants, the whole picture.
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However, a substantial portion of the center's employees will be support people earning a salary. Also, those imported workers will spend their money there. And Foxconn will pay rent & taxes, and upgrade construction. Also, some locals may aspire to an associates or bachelors degree, perhaps when working there in a non-technical capacity hoping to advance.

So there still will be benefits to the community.
 
JacksinPA said:
It's probably the only way. Train them in Taiwan & China & airlift them to WI.

Imagine Green Bay getting its own Chinatown. It's like that around Apple in Cupertino where i stayed on CA business trips. Oriental markets, restaurants, the whole picture. A lot of Chinese work at Apple & they bring their culture with them.
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Don’t undersell immigrant populations in Wisconsin.

Lots of Laotians live in Green Bay and Sheboygan, believe it or not.
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...-walkers-downfall_us_5b33e07de4b0b5e692f3d2b7

President Donald Trump and the governor are celebrating the $3 billion deal on Thursday. But polls show it’s unpopular.

President Donald Trump’s trip to Wisconsin on Thursday should be a highlight of Gov. Scott Walker’s (R) re-election bid ― the two are attending the groundbreaking of a facility that could eventually employ 13,000 people in a key swing county in the state’s southeast corner.

But the $3 billion package to lure Taiwanese manufacturer Foxconn, which observers once thought would be a centerpiece of Walker’s run for a third term, has instead become a potential liability. It is unpopular in public opinion polling, and Walker’s potential Democratic opponents are lining up to attack it. They hope it could be the key to finally toppling Walker, who has crushed the state’s union movement and survived two Democratic attempts to oust him.
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I wonder if the new Foxconn plant will have the same suicide nets they have in Taiwan.
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The subsidies of 4 billion are getting pretty common for job starved states. I get that. But the celebration by HuffPo is premature. What do you expect HuffPo to say? They are probably reading the democrat run newspapers and assume they have consensus of the population.

Some tidbits:

"But the $3 billion package to lure Taiwanese manufacturer Foxconn, which observers once thought would be a centerpiece of Walker’s run for a third term, has instead become a potential liability. It is unpopular in public opinion polling, and Walker’s potential Democratic opponents are lining up to attack it. They hope it could be the key to finally toppling Walker, who has crushed the state’s union movement and survived two Democratic attempts to oust him."
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Nothing new to see here.

“He’s prioritizing a foreign corporation over education,” Pocan said. “He’s subsidizing a foreign corporation over rebuilding local roads.”
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Roads and education that have been traditionally starved to finance the states high unemployment.

Not from HuffPo: Speaking of jobs:

" The Village of Mount Pleasant and Racine County, where the plant is to be built, have greed to provide $764 million in tax incentives to help get the facility constructed, including buying the land and giving it to Foxconn for free.

"State and local governments will also spend $400 million on road improvements, including adding two lanes to the nearby Interstate 94. And the federal government has committed to spend $160 million more in federal money to help pay for the interstate expansion.

In addition, the local electric utility is upgrading its lines and adding substations to provide the necessary power that will be used by the plant, at a cost of $140 million. The cost of those projects will be paid by 5 million customers in the area."
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Who is doing this work other than local workers?

And speaking of unions, he was against public unions that are bankrupting his state. Private unions are free to do their thing.
 
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