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They voted for Donald Trump. Now soybean farmers could get slammed by the trade war he started.

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They voted for Donald Trump. Now soybean farmers could get slammed by the trade war he started.

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April 5, 2018

Bret Davis voted for Donald Trump in 2016, as did many of his fellow farmers in central Ohio. But as a brewing Chinese trade war begins to threaten U.S. exports, Gordon fears his fifth-generation farm will suffer. The farm, where Davis and his stepson grow 1,300 acres of soybeans, corn and wheat for Ritz crackers, may not withstand the long-term drop in crop prices a trade war could bring, Davis said. And although he supports President Trump's goal of making foreign trade more “balanced,” he's increasingly concerned that Trump's methods could harm the rural Americans who helped put him in office. Soybean-producing counties went for Trump by a margin of more than 12 percent, according to a Washington Post analysis. And yet on Wednesday, Davis and thousands of other farmers woke to the news that China had proposed retaliatory tariffs on soybeans, corn and other row crops as part of a trade war the president started. Farmers say they haven’t given up on Trump. But they’re increasingly alarmed by his approach. “The way he’s going about this is not the way I would’ve done it,” Davis said. “My way would’ve been talking about it first, rather than just [imposing tariffs]. But Mr. Trump’s way to deal with anything is to throw a diversion into a room and then sit down and talk about it.

China buys 60 percent of all U.S. soybean exports to feed a growing fleet of hogs, fish and chicken. The high demand has made soybeans a bright spot of profitability for farmers at a time when many other crop prices are down. But Trump’s aggressive tariffs against Chinese goods, meant to protect U.S. intellectual property and manufacturing interests, have incited retaliatory actions that farmers say threaten their profits. In the hours after China floated a levy on soybeans, futures prices dropped 4 percent, or 40 cents, to $9.97 a bushel. That price is approaching the break-even point on many farms, said Arlan Suderman, chief commodities economist at INTL FCStone. Long term, the prospects are even worse. Although soybean prices rallied Thursday morning, they were still down more than 20 cents. Within three to five years, Tyner's model shows, Brazil and Argentina would replace the United States as China’s main source of soybeans. That could force U.S. farmers to switch to less lucrative crops, such as corn or wheat. Dave Walton, who tends soybeans, corn and livestock in eastern Iowa, is not sure his farm could take the added stress. “If this turns into a longer-term thing, we’re going to see friends and neighbors go out of business,” he said. “If this stretches into years, we ourselves won’t be able to sustain it.”

China knows precisely where to stick the tariff knives to yield the most financial and political damage.
 
They voted for Donald Trump. Now soybean farmers could get slammed by the trade war he started.

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China knows precisely where to stick the tariff knives to yield the most financial and political damage.

Has China stuck tariff knives yet? Are we in a tariff war? I think you are hoping they will stick knives. That way you can blame Trump because at heart, you're a partisan.

The title of this article is dishonest; it's a hypothetical sort of like your thread premise. (Bolded above)

Meanwhile, Davis, who voted for Trump is not giving up on Trump yet....

"As for Davis, the Ohio farmer, he’s waiting and watching the president — for now. He believes the high-stakes brinkmanship is a way to get China to the negotiating table, where Trump will advocate for rural Americans, as he promised on the campaign trail.

That’s his current hope, at least. Farmers have plenty of practice with optimism.

“We take our whole income from the year before, put it into seed and fertilizer, throw it in the dirt and hope we have a crop next year so we can survive,” he said. “If you're not optimistic, you can't be a farmer. You wouldn't make it.”
 
Certainly appears that the Chinese thought a little more about their response than the WH when they implemented the tariffs.

That's true. The EU did this as well by attacking the sales and profitability of manufacturers located in the districts of Congressional leaders.

However agricultural products have almost always been the first goods to have tariffs placed against them, and the last goods (or most difficult) to be removed from trade restrictions.

Domestic agriculture industries I feel have a disproportionate influence on most governments worldwide, which is bad because due to natural climates across various geographies, should make agriculture one of the highest value industries to pursue free trade agreements on. (AKA, you shouldn't grow oranges in Iceland or wheat in Florida.)
 
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Has China stuck tariff knives yet? Are we in a tariff war? I think you are hoping they will stick knives. That way you can blame Trump because at heart, you're a partisan.

The title of this article is dishonest; it's a hypothetical sort of like your thread premise. (Bolded above)

Meanwhile, Davis, who voted for Trump is not giving up on Trump yet....

"As for Davis, the Ohio farmer, he’s waiting and watching the president — for now. He believes the high-stakes brinkmanship is a way to get China to the negotiating table, where Trump will advocate for rural Americans, as he promised on the campaign trail.

That’s his current hope, at least. Farmers have plenty of practice with optimism.

“We take our whole income from the year before, put it into seed and fertilizer, throw it in the dirt and hope we have a crop next year so we can survive,” he said. “If you're not optimistic, you can't be a farmer. You wouldn't make it.”

The US midwestern pork and soybean farmers are toast without China exports. No two ways about it. The China export market is critical to their continued existence.

Brazil, Argentina, and other South American agricultural nations would be only too happy to replace US exports to Beijing.
 
Has China stuck tariff knives yet? Are we in a tariff war? I think you are hoping they will stick knives. That way you can blame Trump because at heart, you're a partisan.

Trump attacked $30 billion in Chinese exports to the United States (of some $650 billion), and therefore China matched this by penalizing roughly $30 billion in US exports to China. That'll be devastating for the specific American industries whose products made it onto the list, but will not impact most Americans. Where this will get bad is if Trump continues his idiotic path.
 
The US midwestern pork and soybean farmers are toast without China exports. No two ways about it. The China export market is critical to their continued existence.

Brazil, Argentina, and other South American agricultural nations would be only too happy to replace US exports to Beijing.

Soy is a huge monoculture and a top 3 gmo, and there are heath concerns in large quantity. Industrial pig farming is gross; they're smarter than dogs.

Funny how things sometimes just work out.
 
The title of this article is dishonest; it's a hypothetical sort of like your thread premise. (Bolded above)

The US midwestern pork and soybean farmers are toast without China exports. No two ways about it. The China export market is critical to their continued existence.
Brazil, Argentina, and other South American agricultural nations would be only too happy to replace US exports to Beijing.

Soy is a huge monoculture and a top 3 gmo, and there are heath concerns in large quantity. Industrial pig farming is gross; they're smarter than dogs. Funny how things sometimes just work out.

Yes. As Rogue Valley correctly states, the American pork and soybean farming industry are dependent on Chinese imports.

China, if you're not aware, has massive demand for pork cuts that Americans do not eat (offal, skin, hoofs, ears, etc.) and well as soybeans for tofu, soy sauce and soybean paste.
 
Soy is a huge monoculture and a top 3 gmo, and there are heath concerns in large quantity. Industrial pig farming is gross; they're smarter than dogs.

Funny how things sometimes just work out.

so as long as it doesn't affect YOU, it's all good. Got it.
 
The pig/soybean farmers concern is financial survival.

They can do other things, they'll survive or they'll sell. This is not mom and pop farmers, these are million dollar industrial facilities averaging thousands of acres.
 
Well, at least we won't be getting any more soy boys.



At least according to Paul Joseph Watson
 
The theme of this thread is underscored by this Robert Samuelson column, Trump just doesn't weigh difficult issues before acting.

Trump gets schooled on trade

Trump’s decisions to withdraw the United States from the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) or to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). These were exercises in grandstanding, intended to impress his supporters.

In reality, these moves damaged American interests. They alienated our allies and trading partners, from Canada and Mexico (NAFTA) to Japan, Australia and Chile (TPP). Trump’s obsession with trade deficits further muddies the debate.
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The Trump administration has not thought through these difficult problems. Emblematic of the confusion is the treatment of ZTE, a Chinese telecommunications firm with worldwide operations. The U.S. Commerce Department censored the firm for violating U.S. trade embargoes with North Korea and Iran; the punishment was to prohibit U.S. electronics firms, such as Qualcomm, from selling components to ZTE.

This is precisely the sort of selective sanctions that might work against China. In effect, the Commerce Department order was a death warrant for ZTE, because without the U.S. semiconductors, ZTE couldn’t manufacture its products. But after a personal appeal from Chinese President Xi Jinping, Trump ordered Commerce to modify the order so ZTE would survive. Go figure. Trump has now further muddled matters by suggesting a 25 percent tariff on auto imports.
 
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