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    Re: The Disaster which is Illinois

    Why Illinois' Govt Has Become Predatory & Unjust
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    Policy:Chicago Shows What Scott Walker Got Right - Hess & Martin, RCPolicy
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    Re: The Disaster which is Illinois

    As an Illinois resident, I always tell this to Democrats...

    What Blagojevich and Madigan have done to Illinois, that's what Pelosi and Hillary and Bernie want to do to the whole country

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    Re: The Disaster which is Illinois

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    Higher taxes will do that.
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    Re: The Disaster which is Illinois

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    Higher taxes will do that.
    Hey, maybe legal pot will bring them back!
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    Hey, maybe legal pot will bring them back!
    It'll be legal everywhere soon.
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    Re: The Disaster which is Illinois

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Have you ever driven through Illinois? Better than 90% of the state is like a flatter version of central Kansas. Basically, the Chicago area is about the only interesting part of the state, but its also known for terrible winters.

    If you look at which states are growing the most over the last 20 years, it's basically places where you would want to live in terms of climate and scenery: The Southeast, the Pacific Northwest, and the Mountain West (excluding Wyoming, but again, the climate is so harsh there).

    The states not doing so well in terms of population growth are basically states with long, cold winters that lack a lot of natural beauty, or states that are just ****holes (like Mississippi). The exception here being New York, state with harsh winters, but also very beautiful, and North Dakota which is like America's Siberia, but brought in a lot oil jobs.

    My point is that yes, Illinois is poorly ran, but even if it were the best ran state in the country, its total lack of scenery and climate would still make it a hard sell for attracting new residents these days. The best thing to happen to the South, and the worst thing to happen to the Midwest was the invention of air conditioning.

    The only higher population northern state that is seeing decent growth is Minnesota (a high tax state btw), and that is because it is a beautiful state with a wealth of outdoor recreational opportunities. The summers there are so nice, that it makes the harsh winters tolerable.
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    Re: The Disaster which is Illinois

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Have you ever driven through Illinois? Better than 90% of the state is like a flatter version of central Kansas. Basically, the Chicago area is about the only interesting part of the state, but its also known for terrible winters.

    If you look at which states are growing the most over the last 20 years, it's basically places where you would want to live in terms of climate and scenery: The Southeast, the Pacific Northwest, and the Mountain West (excluding Wyoming, but again, the climate is so harsh there).

    The states not doing so well in terms of population growth are basically states with long, cold winters that lack a lot of natural beauty, or states that are just ****holes (like Mississippi). The exception here being New York, state with harsh winters, but also very beautiful, and North Dakota which is like America's Siberia, but brought in a lot oil jobs.

    My point is that yes, Illinois is poorly ran, but even if it were the best ran state in the country, its total lack of scenery and climate would still make it a hard sell for attracting new residents these days. The best thing to happen to the South, and the worst thing to happen to the Midwest was the invention of air conditioning.

    The only higher population northern state that is seeing decent growth is Minnesota (a high tax state btw), and that is because it is a beautiful state with a wealth of outdoor recreational opportunities. The summers there are so nice, that it makes the harsh winters tolerable.
    I grew up in Indiana and spent three and one half years in Champaign-Urbana, Illinois in graduate school. All the states bordering Illinois are growing. From the link:

    Preliminary numbers from the U.S. Census Bureau released Monday demonstrate once again the shrinking state of Illinois. For the sixth straight year, the state’s population dropped while every bordering state’s population grew.
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    Re: The Disaster which is Illinois

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I grew up in Indiana and spent three and one half years in Champaign-Urbana, Illinois in graduate school. All the states bordering Illinois are growing. From the link:

    Preliminary numbers from the U.S. Census Bureau released Monday demonstrate once again the shrinking state of Illinois. For the sixth straight year, the state’s population dropped while every bordering state’s population grew.
    Missouri is hardly growing despite being a low tax state. The only part of the state seeing significant growth is the Kansas City area. In fact, all of Illinois border states are growing slowly. The closest states to it with a good population growth rate are Tennessee (a low tax, beautiful state with a mild climate), and Minnesota (a high tax, beautiful state with a harsh winter climate).

    Point being, even with the best government in the country, Illinois at best would be growing around 2.5 to 3.5% every decade.

    I think a better example of a terribly ran state would be West Virginia, a beautiful state (well least before they let the coal mining industry scar so much of it), that is still losing people. Alabama, a state with mountains and beaches, but has only grown 2.5% in the last decade. That is you pure bad government. New Mexico, the only Southwestern state with a slow growth rate at just 1.5%. Wyoming, a state with some of the most beautiful mountains on earth, yet it lost population the last 10 years.
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