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    Re: This truly sucks

    Quote Originally Posted by cuban smokes View Post
    not to derail the thread, even though someone will likely accuse me of trolling, or baiting; why is gun crime an issue for you? Just curious .......
    gun rights is an issue for me since I have been a competitive shooter for getting close to 50 years now. Gun crime was not that big an issue to me as gun rights but I wanted to see if DeWhine was a two faced weasel
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    This is a thread about gun control. You want to discuss crime control--start a thread in the appropriate sub forum.

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    Re: This truly sucks

    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    I just explained how it relates to President Trump. Your accusation is that a flip-flopper is a RINO but you're neglecting to address whether that criticism is limited by your personal vendetta or not, which serves as its own sort of answer.
    you seem unable to understand that Trump was the best of the two possible candidates. I didn't vote for Trump in the Primaries where there were BETTER candidates.
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    Re: This truly sucks

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    gun rights is an issue for me since I have been a competitive shooter for getting close to 50 years now. Gun crime was not that big an issue to me as gun rights but I wanted to see if DeWhine was a two faced weasel

    so, do you see the gun rights issue being impacted by gun crime issues? Is that why you stated previously a concern about gun crime?

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    Re: This truly sucks

    Quote Originally Posted by cuban smokes View Post
    so, do you see the gun rights issue being impacted by gun crime issues? Is that why you stated previously a concern about gun crime?
    are you ignoring the obvious? gun crime is really irrelevant objectively to gun rights but those who want to end gun rights use gun crime as the excuse to do so
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    Personal experience with a candidate, whether good or bad, sure does trump public persona, doesn't it? When Trump brought Flynn on I was telling people it was going to be nothing but trouble. I was speaking from personal experience because I worked for the bastard.

    Granted, people can't just make judgements based on some stranger's anecdotal experience, but for those who have first hand experience with a particular sleazy public figure, it sure is grating to see them on tv fooling people who don't know better because they lack that first-hand knowledge.

    Every time you see that guy on TV, TD, you are going to remember him lying to your face.
    Yep. I have the exact opposite experience with Dewine. He was front and center when my buddy was shot and killed. Within a week that crime was solved. To me, Dewine is an effective leader who gets the job done.

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    Re: This truly sucks

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    are you ignoring the obvious? gun crime is really irrelevant objectively to gun rights but those who want to end gun rights use gun crime as the excuse to do so
    well, it is obvious to me that politics from the Dem side does typically attempt to drive gun rights into the dirt but was wondering how you were viewing the gun rights concerns you previously voiced, since you did not directly explain ........

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    Re: This truly sucks

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you seem unable to understand that Trump was the best of the two possible candidates. I didn't vote for Trump in the Primaries where there were BETTER candidates.
    You missed the point entirely.

    You based your case here on the fact that a politician changed his story. I feel like plenty of republicans flip flop wildly. Before, Obamacare's high premiums were horrible for the American public. Now that the AHCA/BCRA are going to result in higher premiums, i expect that makes all republicans who support either one RINOs.

    Or, you could elaborate on your criteria for "RINO" as flip flopping doesn't seem sufficient.

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    Re: This truly sucks

    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You missed the point entirely.

    You based your case here on the fact that a politician changed his story. I feel like plenty of republicans flip flop wildly. Before, Obamacare's high premiums were horrible for the American public. Now that the AHCA/BCRA are going to result in higher premiums, i expect that makes all republicans who support either one RINOs.

    Or, you could elaborate on your criteria for "RINO" as flip flopping doesn't seem sufficient.
    nah you missed the point its another case of wanting to complain for the sake of complaining.
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    Re: This truly sucks

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    nah you missed the point its another case of wanting to complain for the sake of complaining.
    I'm asking you to elaborate on your criteria for RINO- you seem to be flip flopping wildly, unable or unwilling to provide a coherent explanation.

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    Re: This truly sucks

    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    I'm asking you to elaborate on your criteria for RINO- you seem to be flip flopping wildly, unable or unwilling to provide a coherent explanation.
    Lets see if you can understand

    There are several other people running or intending to run against DeWhine in the primary who are solid conservatives and stick to a consistent theme. DeWhine has been proven to change his message -not over time-but daily depending on what he thinks his audience wants to hear. When he spoke to me at lunchtime before the reds opening day game, he saw me as an NRA member and spoke in a way that would cause an NRA member to support him. 4-5 hours later, I spoke to him as someone who was concerned about "gun violence" and he then spoke to me (not knowing he had already engaged me earlier that day) as if I was anti gun or at least hospitable to more restrictions on gun ownership.

    that's different than what Trump has done and unlike the Governorship in Ohio, when it came time to vote for President, there was Trump-who had changed his positions on guns but has been consistently pro gun for at least a year leading up to the election versus a woman who has been a consistent hater of gun ownership for a quarter of a century.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    This is a thread about gun control. You want to discuss crime control--start a thread in the appropriate sub forum.

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