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Michigan Rejects Nestle's Request For More Water

Excon said:
Doh!
No, ecofarm.
You make the argument and then quote your reference material to support that argument as you should.
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Stay ignorant about aquifers, I don't care. I think I've made my point.
 
ecofarm said:
Stay ignorant about aquifers, I don't care. I think I've made my point.
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I see you refuse to actually engage in debate and instead deflect. Figures.
The only point you made is that you like making assumptions that are as wrong as they are wrong headed.
 
I can never remember where i read this, but i saw a for profit water extraction exec claiming that if water wasn't for-profit everyone would die of thirst...

yeah cause that's really happening in socialist rest of the world. Lying sack of ****
 
Geoist said:
A township planning commission in northern Michigan on Tuesday denied a bottled water company’s request to build a new pumping station needed to withdraw more underground water.


Michigan township panel rejects Nestle pump permit


Currently, Nestle can withdraw 250 gallons of Michigan's water per minute. Their request would have given Nestle permission to withdraw 400 gallons per minute... all for the sake of profits. Meanwhile, Flint's residents are still struggling thanks to their poisoned water. I applaud the people of Osceola Township for standing up against this proposal.
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If the township does not have the water to spare, that is one thing. But if it is for some snowflaky anti- business reason, that is another. If they force Nestle to pull out of that township and move elsewhere taking the 250 jobs they now provide local people plus the 20 more they would hire with an expansion with them, I wonder how many will approve of that?
 
chromium said:
I can never remember where i read this, but i saw a for profit water extraction exec claiming that if water wasn't for-profit everyone would die of thirst...

yeah cause that's really happening in socialist rest of the world. Lying sack of ****
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The only person more moronic than that exec is anyone who buys into that bs. If the human race cannot exist without privatizing water than why aren't we extinct?
 
Geoist said:
A township planning commission in northern Michigan on Tuesday denied a bottled water company’s request to build a new pumping station needed to withdraw more underground water.


Michigan township panel rejects Nestle pump permit


Currently, Nestle can withdraw 250 gallons of Michigan's water per minute. Their request would have given Nestle permission to withdraw 400 gallons per minute... all for the sake of profits. Meanwhile, Flint's residents are still struggling thanks to their poisoned water. I applaud the people of Osceola Township for standing up against this proposal.
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Something wrong with profit or for asking for more water?
 
Geoist said:
The only person more moronic than that exec is anyone who buys into that bs. If the human race cannot exist without privatizing water than why aren't we extinct?
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i think he was saying that there's less water than before and with overpopulation, there needs to be a profit motive for anyone to drill underground. Like you couldn't possibly raise taxes to do this

but yeah, how to explain the 6 billion humans who get their water from other than private sources

this was his response to the question of why we have to pay for water but not air...
 
Geoist said:
A township planning commission in northern Michigan on Tuesday denied a bottled water company’s request to build a new pumping station needed to withdraw more underground water.


Michigan township panel rejects Nestle pump permit


Currently, Nestle can withdraw 250 gallons of Michigan's water per minute. Their request would have given Nestle permission to withdraw 400 gallons per minute... all for the sake of profits. Meanwhile, Flint's residents are still struggling thanks to their poisoned water. I applaud the people of Osceola Township for standing up against this proposal.
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There's plenty of bottled water companies. Whether or not Nestles can draw more water or not is kind of irrelevant. If disapproval the request was to preserve safe drinking water for the residents, good for them. But I don't see how Flint fits into this picture. As I understand it, Nestles was one of the companies providing water to the Flint residents. Far as I can figure out, Flint's problem had everything to do with local government.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
You are still connecting things which are not related to each other in reality.
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Kind of hard to say they are not related when the entire state is paying for this screw up.

But I bring up Flint more as context for why it is important to consider how we distribute our precious resources. Let's say there was no Flint water crisis. What justification is there to hand over the people's resources for corporate profit at a steal of a price? ($5K for licensing and $200 for paperwork from what I've heard.)
 
Geoist said:
I never said Nestle is to blame for the poor decisions made by Michigan's politicians. However, it does not seem right for a state to give away its most important resource for corporate profit while some of its own people cannot even access clean water from their faucets.
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"However, it does not seem right..."

You are not using logic but mere emotion

Nestle did nothing to cause the problem in Flint.
 
Geoist said:
A township planning commission in northern Michigan on Tuesday denied a bottled water company’s request to build a new pumping station needed to withdraw more underground water.


Michigan township panel rejects Nestle pump permit


Currently, Nestle can withdraw 250 gallons of Michigan's water per minute. Their request would have given Nestle permission to withdraw 400 gallons per minute... all for the sake of profits. Meanwhile, Flint's residents are still struggling thanks to their poisoned water. I applaud the people of Osceola Township for standing up against this proposal.
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Are they afraid Nestle is going to drain the Great Lake (s), and ship the off one little bottle at a time?
 
Excon said:
This has absolutely nothing to do with Flint.



'Nestle is separately asking the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality to approve its permit application to increase its withdrawal from 250 to 400 gallons per minute.



Nestle will now explore other options that could have a greater environmental impact on the area, such as constructing another water pipeline or using tanker trucks to transport extra water, she said.'
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Not sure how a water pipeline or tanker trucks filled with water will have a huge 'environmental impact on the area'. If they leak, they just spill water.

Seems like the residents may have screwed themselves or just put off the inevitable for a short period of time.


That said.
**** you Nestle.
Go to the ocean and create your own desalination plants for water.
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You do realize that desalinization plants are extraordinarily expensive?

Not referring to you here, but why people get so angry at corporations when they do something that is not environmentally friendly is beyond me.
Wake up people...the job of a corporation is to make as much money as possible...ANY legal way possible. If that means destroying the land...so be it.
It is their job not to care.
If people want to change the way corporations work, whining about it will do next to nothing.
STOP BUYING THEIR PRODUCTS OR SERVICES.
Economic impact is all these corp's know and economic impact is all they will truly pay attention to.
 
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Geoist said:
I never said Nestle is to blame for the poor decisions made by Michigan's politicians. However, it does not seem right for a state to give away its most important resource for corporate profit while some of its own people cannot even access clean water from their faucets.
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Trump administration's mantra seems to be let the corporations get even more power through more jobs. Screw the public interests.
 
Geoist said:
I never said Nestle is to blame for the poor decisions made by Michigan's politicians. However, it does not seem right for a state to give away its most important resource for corporate profit while some of its own people cannot even access clean water from their faucets.
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Your point was obvious before this explaination. Some were just posting obtuse obtuseivness...
 
Mac77 said:
"However, it does not seem right..."

You are not using logic but mere emotion

Nestle did nothing to cause the problem in Flint.
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Emotion is part of it but so is logic. Is it logical for a community to give away its resources for corporate profit?
 
AlbqOwl said:
If the township does not have the water to spare, that is one thing. But if it is for some snowflaky anti- business reason, that is another. If they force Nestle to pull out of that township and move elsewhere taking the 250 jobs they now provide local people plus the 20 more they would hire with an expansion with them, I wonder how many will approve of that?
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How would they be forcing Nestle out? By refusing to give the community's water away for next to nothing? How is it anti-business to have them pay for the water like the residents do?
 
Geoist said:
How would they be forcing Nestle out? By refusing to give the community's water away for next to nothing? How is it anti-business to have them pay for the water like the residents do?
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I didn't read it that they wouldn't pay for the water. They just wanted to pump more water than their previous agreement allowed them to pump and were denied the additional allotment.
 
Geoist said:
Emotion is part of it but so is logic. Is it logical for a community to give away its resources for corporate profit?
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Nestle employes local members of the community and sells the water outside the immediate area so it does bring money into the community
 
AlbqOwl said:
I didn't read it that they wouldn't pay for the water. They just wanted to pump more water than their previous agreement allowed them to pump and were denied the additional allotment.
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They pay $5000 for licensing and $200 for paperwork. The value of what they extract is far far more than what they pay for. But they aren't the only ones getting the handout.
 
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Mac77 said:
Nestle employes local members of the community and sells the water outside the immediate area so it does bring money into the community
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That is only temporary. Allow them to pump out that groundwater at a rate greater than it can be replenished and you will see business dry up, jobs lost, and the peoples' most important resource exhausted.
 
Geoist said:
That is only temporary. Allow them to pump out that groundwater at a rate greater than it can be replenished and you will see business dry up, jobs lost, and the peoples' most important resource exhausted.
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There does not seem to be any reputable scientific evidence to support that.
 
Geoist said:
I never said Nestle is to blame for the poor decisions made by Michigan's politicians. However, it does not seem right for a state to give away its most important resource for corporate profit while some of its own people cannot even access clean water from their faucets.
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How are the water problems in Michigan cities which is not a problem of a lack of water related to Nestle's problem, which is?
 
Geoist said:
They pay $5000 for licensing and $200 for paperwork. The value of what they extract is far far more than what they pay for. But they aren't the only ones getting the handout.
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I will leave it up to the folks there to negotiate what is a fair price and weigh that against the benefit to a tiny community to have all those good paying jobs there.
 
jimbo said:
How are the water problems in Michigan cities which is not a problem of a lack of water related to Nestle's problem, which is?
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Its not related

Greenies just hate the private sector
 
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