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Rahm Emanuel to require post-high school plan to get diploma.

justabubba said:
it's a way to force high school students to recognize the reality that a HS diploma is a commencement, not an ending
only 18% of the students go on to complete 4 year degrees
the target is 60% by 2025
and there is no reason for any student to be denied their diploma - IF they expend the effort to apply to a local community college. chicago HS diplomas automatically grant the newly minted graduate admission to community colleges

not a fan of rahm, but this is a good idea
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I vehemently disagree.

This is encroaching against my kids free-will and my parental authority.

The state has no business telling my kid what it takes to be their version of an upstanding citizen. As long as my kid did the required academics and is living lawfully, it's none of their business what he or she does as long as they conduct themselves lawfully

In my old neighborhood we had a history of taking summer "bum around America" road trips to celebrate the ending of High School. Fill-up a couple of vans (yeah, it was the '70's) with the neighborhood guys, and vagabond off to all points west with no hard destination, having as much cash as we could muster, sleeping in campgrounds or hidden off the sides of roads, and coming home only when the money ran out and begging our parents no longer worked. No idea how it started. But I passed the tradition down to my son, and he and his buddies went down South instead of West, the only difference being my son's boys were suburban kids and better funded.

My six weeks bumming across America was one of the best things I ever did! I remember it well 'till today, and some of those friendships forged back then were deepened to the point they remain until today. We learned a little about life and America, and a lot about ourselves. We also learned long distance collect calling, begging parents for food and gas money, and how to use Western Union! ;)

I'm also encouraging my kids to do a traditional international bum-around after their undergrads. Hell - if they want to take a summer or the better part of a year vagabonding, I'm all for it. They worked hard and earned it. You're only young once!

I know this is a specific example, above. But quite frankly it's nobody's business to tell my kid what to do or be, as long as he conducts himself lawfully. Let them be themselves. let them find themselves.
 
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American said:
So is requiring you to attend school, or passing certain classes to get your diploma.
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Yes, but those reqs are for the specific period of the awarded diploma. This proposal is predicated upon forward performance.

But regardless keep academics to academics, and life to life.

Please consider reading my post #26 here, to see how I handled my immediate post H.S. experience. I wouldn't do it any other way if I had the chance! :thumbs:
 
Chomsky said:
Yes, but those reqs are for the specific period of the awarded diploma. This proposal is predicated upon forward performance.

But regardless keep academics to academics, and life to life.

Please consider reading my post #26 here, to see how I handled my immediate post H.S. experience. I wouldn't do it any other way if I had the chance! :thumbs:
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I see nothing wrong with it, especially in Chicago.
 
American said:
I see nothing wrong with it, especially in Chicago.
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What if this encouraged higher drop-out numbers?

And what about students who don't want or need to go to college? They have a good GPA but aren't awarded their diplomas?
 
justabubba said:
it's a way to force high school students to recognize the reality that a HS diploma is a commencement, not an ending
only 18% of the students go on to complete 4 year degrees
the target is 60% by 2025
and there is no reason for any student to be denied their diploma - IF they expend the effort to apply to a local community college. chicago HS diplomas automatically grant the newly minted graduate admission to community colleges

not a fan of rahm, but this is a good idea
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So at what point are citizens allowed to make their own decisions in life? I mean, besides a woman and her choice to have an abortion or not of course.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Do employers actually check to see if someone has a High School diploma?
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That's a good question, I know that no employer I've ever worked for has ever asked to see my physical HS diploma, or my Associates Degree, or my vocational school certificate.

I have a commercial driver license, I can pass a drug test, those factors have gotten me all the jobs I've held.
 
Fishking said:
There are many things on applications, that is one of them in many cases.
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yeah but usually it's just "check this box" do employers actually verify someone has an HS diploma? I've never had to show mine anywhere, mine's in a box in my closet. along with all the youth awards and community service certificates and Naval JROTC medals I won that no one cares about.

Do you call the high school and ask if "x" has a diploma? would they tell you? last year I drove through a little town in Iowa and saw an abandoned high school, what if someone claims to have graduated a closed high school from a now defunct district?
 
Fishking said:
Apparently, there is no level of control over the lives of his constituents that is too much. If this passes, your rightfully earned high school diploma will be held in ransom until you meet extra requirements.

Emanuel wants to add a CPS graduation requirement: Get acceptance letter - Chicago Tribune
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Rahm should focus on insuring the Chicago schools were turning out graduates qualified to enter college, the military, or a job rather than leaving it up to the student to sink or swim on their own as long as they check the right box.
 
Chomsky said:
I vehemently disagree.

This is encroaching against my kids free-will and my parental authority.

The state has no business telling my kid what it takes to be their version of an upstanding citizen. As long as my kid did the required academics and is living lawfully, it's none of their business what he or she does as long as they conduct themselves lawfully

In my old neighborhood we had a history of taking summer "bum around America" road trips to celebrate the ending of High School. Fill-up a couple of vans (yeah, it was the '70's) with the neighborhood guys, and vagabond off to all points west with no hard destination, having as much cash as we could muster, sleeping in campgrounds or hidden off the sides of roads, and coming home only when the money ran out and begging our parents no longer worked. No idea how it started. But I passed the tradition down to my son, and he and his buddies went down South instead of West, the only difference being my son's boys were suburban kids and better funded.

My six weeks bumming across America was one of the best things I ever did! I remember it well 'till today, and some of those friendships forged back then were deepened to the point they remain until today. We learned a little about life and America, and a lot about ourselves. We also learned long distance collect calling, begging parents for food and gas money, and how to use Western Union! ;)

I'm also encouraging my kids to do a traditional international bum-around after their undergrads. Hell - if they want to take a summer or the better part of a year vagabonding, I'm all for it. They worked hard and earned it. You're only young once!

I know this is a specific example, above. But quite frankly it's nobody's business to tell my kid what to do or be, as long as he conducts himself lawfully. Let them be themselves. let them find themselves.
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seems you have ignored that you did for your kids the same thing rahm is attempting to do for the students of chicago
you pushed them to do more than sit on their ass congratulating themselves from having received a high school diploma
too many kids don't have that. there is no adult in their life saying do something more. go find a way to succeed. too many times that is because the adults in their homes were themselves without a sense of purpose and a knowledge of what it takes to succeed. being without that insight, they cannot share it with the next generation

if i were king, every high school graduate (or those aged out of high school) would be required to provide two years of public service to our nation
does not have to be military, but it could be
and the reason is too many kids attain the age of emancipation without having the life skills needed to become self sustaining
because of the draft, millions of poor kids made their way into middle class
the military training taught them what is required to succeed as a self sustaining adult

without the draft, and without pushing them to continue their education, or get job, a trade, a sense of purpose, we are losing generation after generation of chronological adults who are without the life skills and experiences to behave as self supporting adults

getting back to the topic; it is in the financial interest of chicago to educate their young citizens beyond high school. because if that does not happen, chicago will have to spend lots of tax dollars on the dole, for law enforcement, for prisons to deal with those who decided they could coast with only a high school diploma (or less)
 
justabubba said:
seems you have ignored that you did for your kids the same thing rahm is attempting to do for the students of chicago
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He threatened to deny them their high school diploma unless they did what he wanted as legal adults?

you pushed them to do more than sit on their ass congratulating themselves from having received a high school diploma
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People should be free to do what they want with their life without the government telling them what is best for them at every turn.

too many kids don't have that. there is no adult in their life saying do something more. go find a way to succeed. too many times that is because the adults in their homes were themselves without a sense of purpose and a knowledge of what it takes to succeed. being without that insight, they cannot share it with the next generation
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That's called free will. In a free country people are free to decide if they want they wish to do with their adult life. If they want to be bums then they have a right to make that choice. Your morals are yours and what you think people should do with their life is your opinion. How about keeping it to yourself?
 
justabubba said:
if i were king, every high school graduate (or those aged out of high school) would be required to provide two years of public service to our nation does not have to be military, but it could be and the reason is too many kids attain the age of emancipation without having the life skills needed to become self sustaining because of the draft, millions of poor kids made their way into middle class
the military training taught them what is required to succeed as a self sustaining adult without the draft, and without pushing them to continue their education, or get job, a trade, a sense of purpose, we are losing generation after generation of chronological adults who are without the life skills and experiences to behave as self supporting adults.
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I strongly support at least recommending a year or two between high school and college for most students and have said so many times at DP.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/na...-group-says/MDMPXVd1IzQ1u4G9XmX06N/story.html

Malia Obama's 'Gap Year' Highlights Growing Trend In U.S. : NPR

From Time:

Many educators tout taking a gap year, saying that kids who step off the academic treadmill after high school to work, travel, volunteer or explore other interests are more mature when they arrive at college and more engaged in their education going forward.

With this in mind, a handful of colleges—Princeton and the University of North Carolina, among them—offer scholarships and fellowships to incoming freshmen who take a gap year. Harvard has long encouraged the practice. And in February, Tufts University launched its 1+4 bridge program, which, starting in fall 2015, will offer gap-year opportunities for national and international service regardless of a student’s ability to pay. Meanwhile, organizations that promote a gap year, including the American Gap Association and USA Gap Fairs, are expanding rapidly. Should Your Kid Take a Gap Year Before Going to College? | Time.com
 
nota bene said:
What if this encouraged higher drop-out numbers?

And what about students who don't want or need to go to college? They have a good GPA but aren't awarded their diplomas?
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It says they have to have a plan, not just college.
 
Fishking said:
Apparently, there is no level of control over the lives of his constituents that is too much. If this passes, your rightfully earned high school diploma will be held in ransom until you meet extra requirements.

Emanuel wants to add a CPS graduation requirement: Get acceptance letter - Chicago Tribune
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It's a laudable goal be parental and all, but what is he doing to facilitate it?

Maybe he should be dealing with industry and put the arm on them to do job fairs and start training the new American workforce instead of poaching trained immigrants from their competitors.
 
radcen said:
How about the girl who wants to get married and be a stay-at-home mom? Barefoot and pregnant and "uneducated", eh?
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If that's her choice, more power to her. Being a mother is more important role than almost every single conventional job out there and it's not easy.
 
radcen said:
How about the girl who wants to get married and be a stay-at-home mom? Barefoot and pregnant and "uneducated", eh?
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You think the state is in favor of individual rights to disagree with their demands?

After the way they run the "justice" system?
 
Fishking said:
If that's her choice, more power to her. Being a mother is more important role than almost every single conventional job out there and it's not easy.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a stay-at-home mom, but this proposal treats it as a negative and penalizing the person for it.
 
It is ridiculous to withhold a certificate for what one has already accomplished if "the state" does not approve of their plan for what to do next.
 
radcen said:
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a stay-at-home mom, but this proposal treats it as a negative and penalizing the person for it.
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i believe the approach would encourage the prospective mother to figure out what to do upon graduation from high school to be able to accomplish her dream
unless you would prefer her to stay at home on the dole while having kids requiring taxpayer assistance
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It is ridiculous to withhold a certificate for what one has already accomplished if "the state" does not approve of their plan for what to do next.
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since EVERY HS graduate is auto accepted to the local community colleges, there is no reason for any prospective graduate not to receive a diploma - IF they demonstrate that they have contemplated what they plan to do after high school
 
justabubba said:
i believe the approach would encourage the prospective mother to figure out what to do upon graduation from high school to be able to accomplish her dream
unless you would prefer her to stay at home on the dole while having kids requiring taxpayer assistance
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There are stay at home moms that aren't dependent on the state, you know.
 
Henrin said:
There are stay at home moms that aren't dependent on the state, you know.
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and there are many stay at home mom's whose only means of sustenance is from the taxpayers
which would you prefer?
rahm prefers to motivate those prospective mothers to be self sustaining
 
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