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Will Trump restore the rust belt to its former glory?

Will Trump restore the rust belt to it's good ol days?

  • yes

    Votes: 1 3.8%

  • no

    Votes: 25 96.2%
  • Total voters
    26
coldjoint said:
Well, he put a moratorium on off shore drilling. He stopped the Keystone pipeline, and made it very hard to get discovery leases. Any gains in oil is from the private sector. Obama has done nothing to help.
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I love it when a conservative thinks federal regulations only stop production on federal land... fun fact for the rabid right... ALLOWING MASSIVE fracking leases across the country (FYI also governed by federal regulations) was done by this administration. (And in true mindless private sector fashion they over produced the fields, crashed the oil industry so states like Oklahoma have YUGE budget deficits AND we now have daily earthquakes- to the point citizens have gone to court to get fracking reduced near towns.)

The Keystone Pipeline is a YUGE waste of time, money, and pushes a toxic chemical sludge across the farm belt. I doubt many here would want that pipeline going through their easement in suburban USofA. It wouldn't push much oil down from Canada (do note the Canadians want NO THING to do with tar sand sludge) and does nothing to ease 'foreign dependence' on sources of oil)

Thanks for playing... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
I love it when a conservative thinks federal regulations only stop production on federal land... fun fact for the rabid right... ALLOWING MASSIVE fracking leases across the country (FYI also governed by federal regulations) was done by this administration. (And in true mindless private sector fashion they over produced the fields, crashed the oil industry so states like Oklahoma have YUGE budget deficits AND we now have daily earthquakes- to the point citizens have gone to court to get fracking reduced near towns.)

The Keystone Pipeline is a YUGE waste of time, money, and pushes a toxic chemical sludge across the farm belt. I doubt many here would want that pipeline going through their easement in suburban USofA. It wouldn't push much oil down from Canada (do note the Canadians want NO THING to do with tar sand sludge) and does nothing to ease 'foreign dependence' on sources of oil)

Thanks for playing... :peace
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The pipeline does not go off the rails like trains. And the pushing of sludge hurts nothing, it is encased and water tight. Energy is the key to a lot of jobs, that it doesn't work everywhere is not unusual, it should open up where it does.
 
coldjoint said:
The pipeline does not go off the rails like trains. And the pushing of sludge hurts nothing, it is encased and water tight. Energy is the key to a lot of jobs, that it doesn't work everywhere is not unusual, it should open up where it does.
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You are selective in your memory, pipelines do leak and far more per incident than a derailed tanker car... :roll:

According to the Pipeline and hazardous materials safety administration approx 121 leaks have happened PER YEAR for the last two years...

Pipelines are subject to construction errors like the Alabama pipeline being hit by a backhoe.

The sludge tar doesn't create any long lasting jobs- THAT is the issue, not oil production in general.

Canada could make big bucks using their refineries to produce gas for the US market but they don't want any part of that hot mess.

Nice try though... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
You are selective in your memory, pipelines do leak and far more per incident than a derailed tanker car... :roll:

According to the Pipeline and hazardous materials safety administration approx 121 leaks have happened PER YEAR for the last two years...

Pipelines are subject to construction errors like the Alabama pipeline being hit by a backhoe.

The sludge tar doesn't create any long lasting jobs- THAT is the issue, not oil production in general.

Canada could make big bucks using their refineries to produce gas for the US market but they don't want any part of that hot mess.

Nice try though... :peace
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Canada used oil production to get themselves out of the recession. And I am not going to take your word on those leaks, I could use a source to see the damage they have done, if any.
 
Masterhawk said:
Trump's policies which seem to appeal to workers include abolishing NAFTA and putting a tariff on every good made by US companies overseas. He also has economic plans whcih despite worsening the wealth disparity will likely increase economic growth.
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Sure. All he has to do is reverse half a century of automation.
 
There's nothing but a bunch of guessing going on in this thread, because people here don't have clue yet how it will work.
 
coldjoint said:
Canada used oil production to get themselves out of the recession. And I am not going to take your word on those leaks, I could use a source to see the damage they have done, if any.
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Again you dance away from the tar sludge. Canada also produces REAL crude oil and refines that, not that toxic mess... (they voted to block a pipeline across their nation for the tar sludge)

I did source the information and I bet if you type in oil pipeline leaks into your Googles you will be willy deep in sources, and the damage, fines etc... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
Again you dance away from the tar sludge. Canada also produces REAL crude oil and refines that, not that toxic mess... (they voted to block a pipeline across their nation for the tar sludge)

I did source the information and I bet if you type in oil pipeline leaks into your Googles you will be willy deep in sources, and the damage, fines etc... :peace
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Not my job.
 
American said:
There's nothing but a bunch of guessing going on in this thread, because people here don't have clue yet how it will work.
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Whether or not what Trump said on the campaign trail will actually happen is mere speculation that's true. But the discussion of effect of the policies, if they were enacted as stated, is not simply guesswork.
 
Anagram said:
Whether or not what Trump said on the campaign trail will actually happen is mere speculation that's true. But the discussion of effect of the policies, if they were enacted as stated, is not simply guesswork.
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Yes it is, because you don't know all the details yet. These things are likely done in combination with other policies.
 
American said:
Yes it is, because you don't know all the details yet. These things are likely done in combination with other policies.
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We're limited to what he's given us sure. But he's given us a substantial amount. Im sure there will be more details coming out that can be judged at that time. But if we weren't able to discuss the effects of any policies proposed because there might be some unspoken additional policy to be released later, we wouldn't be able to judge any candidate ever.
 
Anagram said:
We're limited to what he's given us sure. But he's given us a substantial amount. Im sure there will be more details coming out that can be judged at that time. But if we weren't able to discuss the effects of any policies proposed because there might be some unspoken additional policy to be released later, we wouldn't be able to judge any candidate ever.
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The Congress will write the actual law.
 
American said:
The Congress will write the actual law.
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Of course they will. And hopefully they won't enact Trump's plan verbatim. We can still talk about what would happen should Trump's plan be imposed though. No one's saying he'll definitely get what he's asked for, just what would happen if he does.
 
Anagram said:
Of course they will. And hopefully they won't enact Trump's plan verbatim. We can still talk about what would happen should Trump's plan be imposed though. No one's saying he'll definitely get what he's asked for, just what would happen if he does.
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Look, Trump is going in with an agenda, a plan. He knows he has to deal to get it implemented. The man isn't a fool. But he won the White House when he should have lost, that gives him lots of political power. They had better implement a reasonable form of his plan.
 
American said:
Look, Trump is going in with an agenda, a plan. He knows he has to deal to get it implemented. The man isn't a fool. But he won the White House when he should have lost, that gives him lots of political power. They had better implement a reasonable form of his plan.
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You are exactly right
 
Why would anyone think he would? Because he said he would?

:roll:

When will the masses learn that EVERYTHING POLITICIANS SAY SHOULD BE TREATED AS A LIE until they prove the contrary.

America (and the rust belt) will be the same in 4 years under Trump as it would have been under Clinton...worse.
 
DA60 said:
Why would anyone think he would? Because he said he would?

:roll:

When will the masses learn that EVERYTHING POLITICIANS SAY SHOULD BE TREATED AS A LIE until they prove the contrary.

America (and the rust belt) will be the same in 4 years under Trump as it would have been under Clinton...worse.
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Did you vote for trump?
 
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