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2 women allegedly killed by relatives for kiss seen in online video

Yasureoktoo said:
The religion has defined the culture for over 1200 years.

And Sub Sahara Africa is a bad example to use.
Many so called "Christians" still rely on witch doctors.
You cannot turn on one religion, and off another like a light switch.
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Religion is also not the only thing at play. Religion regularly gets contorted to fit pre-existing social and cultural beliefs. "Sharia Law" for example in Saudi Arabia is derived chiefly from Arab tribal customs, not the text of the Koran.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Citation needed.
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I just grabbed some quick ones, no, I am not going to sit here and look through the thousands of Hadieths to show more, and there is quite a few.

And in the classic manual of Islamic law, Umdat as-Salik wa ‘Uddat an-Nasik, we read

Qisas is obligatory on whoever kills a person purely intentionally and aggressively (that is, not in self-defense). But qisas is not applicable on children or the insane under any circumstances, nor is it applicable on a Muslim for killing a kafir, nor on a free man for killing a slave, nor on a dhimmi for killing an apostate, nor on a father or a mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their child, or their child’s children

Narrated Suraqah bin Malik bin [Ju'shum]: "The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) judged that the son is to suffer retaliation for [killing] his father, but the father is not to suffer retaliation for [killing] his son."

Grade : Da'if (Darussalam)
Reference : Jami` at-Tirmidhi 1399 In-book reference : Book 16, Hadith 15 English translation : Vol. 1, Book 14, Hadith 1399
It was narrated from Ibn 'Abbas that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: “A father should not be killed for his son.”
Grade : Da'if (Darussalam)
English reference : Vol. 3, Book 21, Hadith 2661 Arabic reference : Book 21, Hadith 2763
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: that the Prophet (ﷺ) said: 'The Hudud are not carried in the Masjid, and the father is not killed for the son."
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Religion is also not the only thing at play. Religion regularly gets contorted to fit pre-existing social and cultural beliefs. "Sharia Law" for example in Saudi Arabia is derived chiefly from Arab tribal customs, not the text of the Koran.
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Different legal schools—of which the most prominent are Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, Hanbali and Jafari—developed methodologies for deriving Sharia rulings from scriptural sources using a process known as ijtihad.[3][4] Traditional jurisprudence (fiqh) distinguishes two principal branches of law, ʿ
 
Yasureoktoo said:
I just grabbed some quick ones, no, I am not going to sit here and look through the thousands of Hadieths to show more, and there is quite a few.

And in the classic manual of Islamic law, Umdat as-Salik wa ‘Uddat an-Nasik, we read

Qisas is obligatory on whoever kills a person purely intentionally and aggressively (that is, not in self-defense). But qisas is not applicable on children or the insane under any circumstances, nor is it applicable on a Muslim for killing a kafir, nor on a free man for killing a slave, nor on a dhimmi for killing an apostate, nor on a father or a mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their child, or their child’s children

Narrated Suraqah bin Malik bin [Ju'shum]: "The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) judged that the son is to suffer retaliation for [killing] his father, but the father is not to suffer retaliation for [killing] his son."

Grade : Da'if (Darussalam)
Reference : Jami` at-Tirmidhi 1399 In-book reference : Book 16, Hadith 15 English translation : Vol. 1, Book 14, Hadith 1399
It was narrated from Ibn 'Abbas that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: “A father should not be killed for his son.”
Grade : Da'if (Darussalam)
English reference : Vol. 3, Book 21, Hadith 2661 Arabic reference : Book 21, Hadith 2763
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: that the Prophet (ﷺ) said: 'The Hudud are not carried in the Masjid, and the father is not killed for the son."
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I asked for a citation that proved that only 14% of Islamic teachings are found in the Koran. You gave me a random verse from a random Hadith. These are not the same things.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
Different legal schools—of which the most prominent are Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, Hanbali and Jafari—developed methodologies for deriving Sharia rulings from scriptural sources using a process known as ijtihad.[3][4] Traditional jurisprudence (fiqh) distinguishes two principal branches of law, ʿ
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Not only does that not refute my statement, all you're doing is copy and pasting from another source. Are you incapable of articulating your own beliefs?
 
Jredbaron96 said:
I asked for a citation that proved that only 14% of Islamic teachings are found in the Koran. You gave me a random verse from a random Hadith. These are not the same things.
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Let me re-phrase that.
Counting the Qur'an and Sunnah, only 14% of the writings are in the Qur'an.
There is little information about Islam in the Qur'an, and virtually none of Muhammed himself.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Not only does that not refute my statement, all you're doing is copy and pasting from another source. Are you incapable of articulating your own beliefs?
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My belief's are not relevant here.

I am only relaying what is documented in the Islamic religion, and I did not write the religion.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
Let me re-phrase that.
Counting the Qur'an and Sunnah, only 14% of the writings are in the Qur'an.
There is little information about Islam in the Qur'an, and virtually none of Muhammed himself.
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Again, citation needed.

The Hadith are rejected almost entirely by some Muslims. Some Muslims swear by them. You are trying to cast too wide of a net over too broken a target.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
My belief's are not relevant here.

I am only relaying what is documented in the Islamic religion, and I did not write the religion.
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You are not even doing that; you are repeating what others have written about Islam from another website.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Not only does that not refute my statement, all you're doing is copy and pasting from another source. Are you incapable of articulating your own beliefs?
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The ‘Reliance of the Traveller’ is a 14th Century Islamic book of fiqh which is still considered relevant today by many Sunni Muslims. Fiqh (Islamic law) is derived from Sharia (Allah’s law). Although it is a book of fiqh, the Reliance of the Traveller is essentially an attempt to codify Sharia.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Again, citation needed.

The Hadith are rejected almost entirely by some Muslims. Some Muslims swear by them. You are trying to cast too wide of a net over too broken a target.
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And where do these so-called Muslims get their information about Muhammed.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Again, citation needed.

The Hadith are rejected almost entirely by some Muslims. Some Muslims swear by them. You are trying to cast too wide of a net over too broken a target.
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I'm going to help you with a dose of reality.
The Islamic religion is so sicko, it cannot be accepted in the 21st century, so what do they do about it, They hide it from the Kaffir, and even the new Muslims.

The Sirrat Rasuall Allah is the first documentation of Islam, yes, before the Qur'an, and the only biography of Muhammed written within 200 years of his lifetime.
It would be illegal in a pornographic movie, and is one of the vilest books written.
Open to any page, in 80% of the writings Muhammed is robbing, raping, or killing someone.
It worked fine as Islam marched through countries robbing and killing for 1000 years, but now in the
21st century it is to evil to be made public.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
I'm going to help you with a dose of reality.
The Islamic religion is so sicko, it cannot be accepted in the 21st century, so what do they do about it, They hide it from the Kaffir, and even the new Muslims.

The Sirrat Rasuall Allah is the first documentation of Islam, yes, before the Qur'an, and the only biography of Muhammed written within 200 years of his lifetime.
It would be illegal in a pornographic movie, and is one of the vilest books written.
Open to any page, in 80% of the writings Muhammed is robbing, raping, or killing someone.
It worked fine as Islam marched through countries robbing and killing for 1000 years, but now in the
21st century it is to evil to be made public.
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What you're speaking of makes no sense. The Prophet's Seerah is just a collection of his military conquests, while the Koran is a recollection of sayings while he was alive. I'm starting to think you know very little about Islam.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
The ‘Reliance of the Traveller’ is a 14th Century Islamic book of fiqh which is still considered relevant today by many Sunni Muslims. Fiqh (Islamic law) is derived from Sharia (Allah’s law). Although it is a book of fiqh, the Reliance of the Traveller is essentially an attempt to codify Sharia.
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And you should know that Fiqh is dependent on the author, hence the prevalence of Arab tribal customs within Saudi's Sharia Law.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
The religion has defined the culture for over 1200 years.

And Sub Sahara Africa is a bad example to use.
Many so called "Christians" still rely on witch doctors.
You cannot turn on one religion, and off another like a light switch.
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nuh uh, stoning women was in the OT and just stayed around the Middle East
 
Jredbaron96 said:
What you're speaking of makes no sense. The Prophet's Seerah is just a collection of his military conquests, while the Koran is a recollection of sayings while he was alive. I'm starting to think you know very little about Islam.
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If I recall correctly the "Seerah" is a 21st century rewriting. and cleasing, of Ishaq's Sira.
 
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Yasureoktoo said:
If I recall correctly the "Seerah" is a 21st century rewriting. and cleasing, of Ishaq's Sira.
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"Seerah" is the anglicized version of sīra which means journey through life.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
What kind of an answer is that.

The question is where do these Muslims you speak of, get their information about Muhammed.
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Depends on the Muslim.

Like seriously dude, you realize that Islam is not a unified religion right? There are literally *hundreds* of sects. I mean, you've heard of Shia and Sunni, right?
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Depends on the Muslim.

Like seriously dude, you realize that Islam is not a unified religion right? There are literally *hundreds* of sects. I mean, you've heard of Shia and Sunni, right?
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Shia and Sunni are two sects. The main two, Sunni being the largest with 70 to 90 percent of Islam.
This changes as countries conquer others.
I believe there are 73 sects.

That has nothing to do with the question I asked.
Where do these co-called Muslims get there information about Muhammed.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
That has nothing to do with the question I asked.
Where do these co-called Muslims get there information about Muhammed.
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Dude, seriously?

The whole difference between sects is derived heavily from what hadiths they follow or what scholars they follow.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Dude, seriously?

The whole difference between sects is derived heavily from what hadiths they follow or what scholars they follow.
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I'm going to help you since you are having such a hard time.

There are only two sources for Muhammed on planet earth.
The Sirat Rasuall Allah, and
The history of Al Taburi.
These two independent sources tell a similar story, with some variations.
After that, 300 years after the fact is Bukhari,
then Muslim, he was a student of Bukhari.

We have the companions of Muhammed, people who supposedly knew him,
except they were found out to be written in the 10th to the 12th century. Not the 7th as is claimed.

Islam is not interpretation, so much as manipulation.

So you still did not answer the question.
I will answer it for you.
They get there information from what they are told by their cleric.
Virtually none read it themselves.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
I'm going to help you since you are having such a hard time.

There are only two sources for Muhammed on planet earth.
The Sirat Rasuall Allah, and
The history of Al Taburi.
These two independent sources tell a similar story, with some variations.
After that, 300 years after the fact is Bukhari,
then Muslim, he was a student of Bukhari.

We have the companions of Muhammed, people who supposedly knew him,
except they were found out to be written in the 10th to the 12th century. Not the 7th as is claimed.

Islam is not interpretation, so much as manipulation.

So you still did not answer the question.
I will answer it for you.
They get there information from what they are told by their cleric.
Virtually none read it themselves.
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You know back in the day the Islamaphobes on this site at least tried to use quotes from the Koran instead of nonsensical arguments that don't even hold up to the thinnest scrutiny.

If you're trying to claim that only Muslims get their information from their religious leaders, I wonder what you think the purpose of Priests and Rabbis is.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Depends on the Muslim.

Like seriously dude, you realize that Islam is not a unified religion right? There are literally *hundreds* of sects. I mean, you've heard of Shia and Sunni, right?
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One of the most articulate poets in any language ever was a Sufi Muslim. Jalal al-din Rumi (spelled a couple of ways) was a Persian born in today's Afghanistan and the founder of the Mehvlevi order of dervishes, the 'whirling dervishes' who use spinning in groups as a sort of meditation.
Islam is a broad, rich subject that many in the west will never know the least of because of determined, blindered prejudice.
 
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