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lwf said:
I didn't know you were an expert on Islam. How long have you been practicing?
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yasu has in my opinion, an unhealthy preoccupation of Islam
 
Rogue Valley said:
Neither could anyone else.
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The Taliban, Al Queada, Hamas, etc. are symptoms,
The disease is Islam, and until you go after the source,
It is not going away, it will always reproduce.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
I'm sure I won't consult you for medical help.

It is something I studied, and it is some scary crap.
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I can empathize with a general distrust of organized religion. Do you feel the same way about Christianity? Christians have killed or forcibly converted far more people than Muslims ever have.
 
lwf said:
I can empathize with a general distrust of organized religion. Do you feel the same way about Christianity? Christians have killed or forcibly converted far more people than Muslims ever have.
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Actually that's not correct.
Estimates of Islam are 270 million, and Christianity had 700 years or so, head start.
 
TypicalRussian said:
why....
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Because of the way it is written.
Go to Muhammeds Bio for example.
In 80% of the writings he is robing, raping, or killing someone.

Muhammed was no holy man, he was a thief, murderer, rapist, slave trader, and a slew of other adjectives.

Even if we compare Christianity, Jesus was none of these.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
The reason we know so little about these people is because everyone was illiterate and nothing was written down.

The "Sirat Rasual Allah", better known as "Ishaq's Sira", is the only biography of Muhammed written within 200 years of his lifetime.
This book can be downloaded on line.

After that is "The history of Al Taburi".
These two are the only source of Muhammed from near that time period on planet earth.

After these we have Bukhari, 300 years after the fact, and then Muslim.
Muslim was a student of Bukhari.


There are no other sources., and most Muslims are steered away from these books.
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Thanks very much - I am really looking for secondary sources, not the primaries, which are generally a slog to read for any historical peoples. Modern historians writing about past events based on records inside and outside the target group and archaeology. Like you mentioned the rock god and I would be interested in the polytheistic precursors as well.
 
Casper said:
You do know that you cannot kill a religious belief, don't you?
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Well, objectively this isn’t actually true, although I’m certainly not suggesting that would work here.

Are there many Arianist Christians? What happened to that religion? What about Mithraism? Used to be a huge religion. What happened to it?


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TypicalRussian said:
So the solution to you is the widespread death of religion?

You want to erase a human practice that has been around for untold thousands of years
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Untold? I’m pretty sire we can tell exactly how many years Islam has been around...
 
CJ 2.0 said:
Thanks very much - I am really looking for secondary sources, not the primaries, which are generally a slog to read for any historical peoples. Modern historians writing about past events based on records inside and outside the target group and archaeology. Like you mentioned the rock god and I would be interested in the polytheistic precursors as well.
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The problem here is that you don't want the secondary sources, and there are lots of sugar coated book reports, that are 180 degrees from the original.
You need the original writings.

Now you could go to a so called, Islam hating author, and get a more accurate picture than from an Islamic scholar.
If you compare the two, one thing to look for, is which side uses actual quotes.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
Actually that's not correct.
Estimates of Islam are 270 million, and Christianity had 700 years or so, head start.
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Where are you coming up with that number?
 
CJ 2.0 said:
Untold? I’m pretty sire we can tell exactly how many years Islam has been around...
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No you can't.
It has been around for 1200 to 1400 years depending on how it is calculated.
 
lwf said:
Where are you coming up with that number?
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This particular one comes from Bill Warner, and is a result of a lot of studies.
Others go up to 360 million but I like Bills estimate better.

This is a 2 part video, and very interesting.


youtube: why are we afraid dr. bill warner - Bing video


Start at 11.22 if you just want a little, but I encourage you to watch both videos,
He speaks of his qualifications, and reasons for his studies.
 
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CJ 2.0 said:
Well, objectively this isn’t actually true, although I’m certainly not suggesting that would work here.

Are there many Arianist Christians? What happened to that religion? What about Mithraism? Used to be a huge religion. What happened to it?


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They lose their followers or get replaced by something else. Islam is not going away.
 
Casper said:
They lose their followers or get replaced by something else. Islam is not going away.
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Islam is different for several reasons.
The people are brainwashed from birth, ( If you pray to your car 5 times a day, you will brainwash yourself.)
The Apostacy clause is a deterrent for leaving the religion.
It is the main function for control by the government. ( Even Hitler commented on the control it had over the people)
The people know nothing else, and many remain uneducated.


We have a serious problem within the religion itself.
It has orders from God to conquer the world, and that will never stop, until someone or something stops it.
Unfortunately that will probably be a nuclear war.
 
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Yasureoktoo said:
Islam is different for several reasons.
The people are brainwashed from birth, ( If you pray to your car 5 times a day, you will brainwash yourself.)
The Apostacy clause is a deterrent for leaving the religion.
It is the main function for control by the government. ( Even Hitler commented on the control it had over the people)
The people know nothing else, and many remain uneducated.


We have a serious problem within the religion itself.
It has orders from God to conquer the world, and that will never stop, until someone or something stops it.
Unfortunately that will probably be a nuclear war.
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So now we Finally get to your Solution. Nuke the Planet, that will teach em a lesson .....
 
Casper said:
So now we Finally get to your Solution. Nuke the Planet, that will teach em a lesson .....
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Sounds like your solution, not mine.

Mine is education, before it gets to the war that will eventually happen.

Keep in mind, most Muslims know little about their own religion, and if they learned it, I believe many would leave.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
This particular one comes from Bill Warner, and is a result of a lot of studies.
Others go up to 360 million but I like Bills estimate better.

This is a 2 part video, and very interesting.


youtube: why are we afraid dr. bill warner - Bing video


Start at 11.22 if you just want a little, but I encourage you to watch both videos,
He speaks of his qualifications, and reasons for his studies.
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What a load of horse**** that was. This guy is nothing but an islamaphobe and kook peddling completely false information. Don't fall for his fear mongering. He's blaming Muslims for every war since the middle ages. Notice in the video as the Islamic "conquest" of Europe slows he says "Islam is getting weaker..." When an audience member asks why, he pauses, and then responds "Corruption..."

Yeah, couldn't have had anything to do with the Holy Inquisition and the Crusades.

You would have to blame every single casualty on both sides in every single conflict that involved any state with a Muslim population since the founding of Islam to get close to 270 million people. That's completely ridiculous.

Islam is probably closer to 20 million deaths that are directly attributable to Islamic aggression. Christianity, however, is most certainly responsible for at least 100 million deaths.

If you are looking for a people to fear, Christians are many times more violent than Muslims if history is any indicator.
 
lwf said:
What a load of horse**** that was. This guy is nothing but an islamaphobe and kook peddling completely false information. Don't fall for his fear mongering. He's blaming Muslims for every war since the middle ages. Notice in the video as the Islamic "conquest" of Europe slows he says "Islam is getting weaker..." When an audience member asks why, he pauses, and then responds "Corruption..."

Yeah, couldn't have had anything to do with the Holy Inquisition and the Crusades.

You would have to blame every single casualty on both sides in every single conflict that involved any state with a Muslim population since the founding of Islam to get close to 270 million people. That's completely ridiculous.

Islam is probably closer to 20 million deaths that are directly attributable to Islamic aggression. Christianity, however, is most certainly responsible for at least 100 million deaths.

If you are looking for a people to fear, Christians are many times more violent than Muslims if history is any indicator.
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I would suggest you start with the other video and watch it through.
He seems to have the most educated guess, if you have another, I would like to see it.

And this is not about Christians or Muslims.

It is about Islam.

And BTW, You can E mail this guy for questions and references, as I have done a few times.


BTW, You had a link to "Death toll by Christianity". The most famous estimate is 56 million deaths,

I typed that in for Islam and lo and behold.
 
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Yasureoktoo said:
Sounds like your solution, not mine.

Mine is education, before it gets to the war that will eventually happen.

Keep in mind, most Muslims know little about their own religion, and if they learned it, I believe many would leave.
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You are the one that brought up nukes.

We are already fighting been doing so for a loooong time now, seems to have resolved little.

If you say so.
 
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