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The Inconvenient Truth About ISIS

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The Inconvenient Truth About ISIS

ISIS continues to pose a significant threat in Iraq and Syria, despite claims from President Donald Trump that the terror group has been defeated.

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2/16/20
The Islamic State has lost all of its territory; tens of thousands of its fighters have been killed or are imprisoned; and its former leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, is dead. But a Kurdish leader who witnessed the militant group’s rise and fall is warning that ISIS is putting itself back together and stressing an uncomfortable fact: that ISIS is bigger now than it was nearly six years ago, when it founded its self-styled caliphate. Eager to move on, President Donald Trump has declared victory over ISIS. Nevertheless, the conflict is ongoing, and to the extent that the Democratic presidential candidates mention the fight, it’s to express their desire to withdraw troops. The reality, though, suggests that a definitive end to the conflict remains out of reach. Even after America spent billions of dollars during two presidencies to defeat ISIS, deployed troops across Iraq and Syria, and dropped thousands of bombs, ISIS persists. If anything, it stands ready to exploit Trump’s impatience to end America’s “forever wars” and shift the country’s focus to countering Iran. “ISIS is still very much intact,” Masrour Barzani, the prime minister of Iraqi Kurdistan, told us in an interview. “Yes, they have lost much of their leadership. They have lost many of their capable men. But they’ve also managed to gain more experience and to recruit more people around them. So they should not be taken lightly.” Barzani has watched with concern as Trump zigzagged on the presence of American troops who were supporting Syrian Kurds in their own anti-ISIS fight, then ramped up a confrontation with Iran that has thrown the U.S. mission in Iraq into uncertainty.

U.S. military officials and Western and regional politicians have never stopped warning about the Islamic State’s ability to recruit fighters and launch attacks. When Trump ordered a withdrawal of U.S. troops from Syria in October, he faced bipartisan resistance from lawmakers who said the job was not yet done. But what is striking about Barzani’s portrayal of the group is the idea that it is not just surviving but thriving. It jibes, however, with recent warnings: from the Pentagon’s inspector general, who said in a report last week that Baghdadi’s death has not disrupted ISIS’s command structure or operations; and from the United Nations, which said in a report last month that ISIS still has at least $100 million in its reserves and has begun to reassert itself in Iraq and Syria. Many residents remain in displaced-persons camps. “If people are jobless, if people are hopeless, if people have no security, if people have no opportunity, if there is no political stability, it’s always easy for terrorist organizations to manipulate local populations,” Barzani told us. “ISIS is a by-product. So as long as these factors are still valid, there will always be either ISIS or something similar to ISIS.”

Unsurprisingly, ISIS is reconstituting after Trump stabbed our Syrian Kurd allies in the back last October and took them out of the fight.

Related: ISIS is bigger now than when it first formed, and Trump's conflict with Iran could give it a boost
 
2/16/20
The Islamic State has lost all of its territory; tens of thousands of its fighters have been killed or are imprisoned; and its former leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is dead.
 
For the umpteenth time, ISIS cannot be completely removed because it is an extreme ideology born out of an Abrahamic Religion that happens to be the furthest behind the evolutionary curve desperately clinging to one of the worst forms of theocracy and social conservatism humanity has ever envisioned.

One can of course remove a person or group who subscribe to that ideology, but the ideology itself is still around. All evidence supporting.
 
2/16/20
The Islamic State has lost all of its territory; tens of thousands of its fighters have been killed or are imprisoned; and its former leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is dead.

Apparently peace is about more than just the number of people you've killed.
 
For the umpteenth time, ISIS cannot be completely removed because it is an extreme ideology born out of an Abrahamic Religion that happens to be the furthest behind the evolutionary curve desperately clinging to one of the worst forms of theocracy and social conservatism humanity has ever envisioned.

One can of course remove a person or group who subscribe to that ideology, but the ideology itself is still around. All evidence supporting.

There's nothing particularly worse about Muslim conservatism or theocracy than any other form of conservative theocracy. Islam isn't less evolved than any other faith.
 
2/16/20
The Islamic State has lost all of its territory; tens of thousands of its fighters have been killed or are imprisoned; and its former leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is dead.

You neglected to mention and bold this part of the article.....

"ISIS is bigger now than it was nearly six years ago, when it founded its self-styled caliphate."
 
For the umpteenth time, ISIS cannot be completely removed because it is an extreme ideology born out of an Abrahamic Religion that happens to be the furthest behind the evolutionary curve desperately clinging to one of the worst forms of theocracy and social conservatism humanity has ever envisioned.

One can of course remove a person or group who subscribe to that ideology, but the ideology itself is still around. All evidence supporting.

Trump doesn't seem able to grasp such realism.

He's defeated ISIS (he told us so), and now it's on to Iran.
 
The Inconvenient Truth About ISIS

ISIS continues to pose a significant threat in Iraq and Syria, despite claims from President Donald Trump that the terror group has been defeated.

retro-isiscults-videoSixteenByNine600.jpg




Unsurprisingly, ISIS is reconstituting after Trump stabbed our Syrian Kurd allies in the back last October and took them out of the fight.

Related: ISIS is bigger now than when it first formed, and Trump's conflict with Iran could give it a boost

It's mostly an ideological war, it's hard to fight an idea in the age of information, that is why communism is still alive and growing among the teens
 
It's mostly an ideological war, it's hard to fight an idea in the age of information, that is why communism is still alive and growing among the teens

In Russia mostly. Which is not helped by Putin making excuses for the Molotov-Ribbontrop Pact.
 
In Russia mostly. Which is not helped by Putin making excuses for the Molotov-Ribbontrop Pact.

No, in AMerica socialism and communism is massive among the younger generations which make no sense, the communists in russia are old people who want the glory days of the Soviet Union back
 
There's nothing particularly worse about Muslim conservatism or theocracy than any other form of conservative theocracy. Islam isn't less evolved than any other faith.

It's less modernized in it's practice. For that reason it could be called less evolved. I have no desire to live under a theocracy of any religion.
 
ISIS will never go away, it was always there,
the names change, the people change.
Kill them all today, and there will be more tomorrow.
It is the people who enforce the teachings and deeds of Muhammed.
 
ISIS will never go away, it was always there,
the names change, the people change.
Kill them all today, and there will be more tomorrow.
It is the people who enforce the teachings and deeds of Muhammed.

The same could be said of Christianity.
 
ISIS will never go away, it was always there,
the names change, the people change.
Kill them all today, and there will be more tomorrow.
It is the people who enforce the teachings and deeds of Muhammed.

No, it was a CIA program in the 80's that tought of this religious justification in Jihad
 
No CIA program was necessary.

The Afghan Mujaheddin already hated the atheist invading Russian forces.

Russia is not ahteist, they were defnding a communist government
 
Regardless .... they were invaders as they are in Ukraine.

I agree that the war in afgan was stupid, but Ukraine is not an invasion, people were revolting and Russia needed to step in
 
I agree that the war in afgan was stupid, but Ukraine is not an invasion, people were revolting and Russia needed to step in

It was an invasion.

I suggest you familiarize yourself with the musings of Colonel (Ret.) Igor Strelkov of the GRU.

Was active in the takeover of Crimea, and then commanded the occupation of Slovyansk in eastern Ukraine.

He was the initial "Defense Minister" for the occupied territories.
 
There's nothing particularly worse about Muslim conservatism or theocracy than any other form of conservative theocracy. Islam isn't less evolved than any other faith.

Islam is fully evolved. Mohamed created it and completed it 1400 years ago. ISIS etal are simply modern manifestations of what Mohamed built.

Verse 5:3, "This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion.".
 
Trump doesn't seem able to grasp such realism.

He's defeated ISIS (he told us so), and now it's on to Iran.

Trump? That's your take-away from this? How about the whole 'ISIS is bigger now' thing? Keep your head in the game. Wait, just keep your head. I'll settle for that.
 
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