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Turkey Launches Deadly Airstrikes Against Syrian Forces

joko104 said:
I understand that most Democrats want the USA to get into WW3 with Russia, our NATO ally Turkey and Syria because the Democratic party has always been the party of war, death and destruction.
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You're wrong, Democrats are peace lovers, and have wanted us out of the war business for decades.
 
Ringo Stalin said:
"Assad's forces continue to advance on the last rebel stronghold in Idlib, despite calls from the US and Turkey to stop the operation," writes" Voice of America".
The cynicism of syrians crosses all borders! They value their right to protect the country higher than the US and Turkey's call not to do so...
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Exactly, it's their country
 
Rogue Valley said:
You did put it that way, and I have informed the DP community. We don't much care for 55 Savushkina Street trolls here at DP.

That said, I doubt you have ever even been to Russia. Your writing pattern is too Anglicized.

But you do display an inexplicable online affectation for Putin, expansionism, and kleptocracy.
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I haven't been to Russia, my parents are russian immigrants and moved when I was born, I live and grew up American
 
TypicalRussian said:
I haven't been to Russia, my parents are russian immigrants and moved when I was born, I live and grew up American
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Let me guess. Sheepshead Bay or Brighton Beach (Little Odessa) in New York.

btw, the correct name of the city is Оде́са (Odesa in Ukrainian).
 
Ringo Stalin said:
"Assad's forces continue to advance on the last rebel stronghold in Idlib, despite calls from the US and Turkey to stop the operation," writes" Voice of America".
The cynicism of syrians crosses all borders! They value their right to protect the country higher than the US and Turkey's call not to do so...
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The Kurds aren't likely to roll over and let Assad slaughter them.
 
TypicalRussian said:
Dont like a source? Just say it has conspiracy theories!!

lop after the war. The West wants Syria to stay in poverty and war so they can get the sweet, sweet oil. Guess what? Mission accomplished as American soldiers are patrolling the eastern oil fields illegally. They have no right to be there.The economy is in ruins and the west does not give a ****, they hate Syria and the civilians backlash this by supporting Assad.

No, I just described that all of these syrian rebel groups are ALL linked to outside countries and sources, they are not Syrian



They won a war, how is that ****ty? Assad survived and made one of the greatest military comebacks of the 21st century.

Yet, you don't have evidence that Assad did these attacks, you claim my source isn't evidence, you haven't even used a source or have cited ANY TYPE OF EVIDENCE!!:lamo:lamo:lamo
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The fact that Assad was responsible for the chemical weapons attacks has been throughly established, and there is no obligation to indulge in your conspiracy peddling. Just like someone who tries to use Infowars is clearly using a bull**** source, so too is any other CTer claim.

Oh, and Fox absolutely did indulge in spewing conspiracy theories about Hilary Clinton.

Uh....no, the United States did not "create Al Qaeda". That is another idiotic conspiracy theory. Funny how you conveniently ignore how Russia blatantly invaded Afghanistan, Czechoslovakia, and multiple other states much more recently then Vietnam. But hey, if you screech long enough about "but America" you can ignore any number of facts.

Funny how much land you can "take from ISIS" when you simply declare everyone else to be ISIS.....or just roll in after the US and or the Kurds kicked their ass.

Gaddafi was a psychotic thug who wrecked Libya quite throughly, and whose stupidity remains a lingering factor to this day. Libya was about as "stable" as any one of the other tinpot dictatorships which collapsed when push came to shove. People in Libya only had the "rights" Gaddafi said they did.

Pan Am Flight 103 - Wikipedia

West Berlin discotheque bombing - Wikipedia

Muammar Qaddafi and Libya's Legacy of Terrorism | Benghazi in Crisis | FRONTLINE | PBS | Official Site

Victims of Gaddafi-sponsored terrorism demand slice of PS5 million tax on assets | Ireland | The Times

Your ignorance is rather pathetic.

Ah yes, that's why the Taliban is in power in Afghanistan....oh wait--the exact opposite is true. Again, your ignorance is showing.

The Mujahideen were nothing more than anti Soviet guerillas. Many of them would later lead the fight against the Taliban, such as Ahmed Shah Massoud. The Russians, meanwhile, systematically committed atrocities such as mass murder on a systematic basis as a matter of policy.

Lol what a load of crap from you. The AK-47 is decades older than most of the stuff the Syrians use and its still going strong. Military equipment doesn't magically vanish just because it gets old. And no amount of hysterical conspiracy theories about oil---which, by the way, we get far more of in places like Canada and Nigeria than we do the Middle East--changes that fact.

Gee, it's almost like bombing peaceful protests makes people not want you to run the country anymore.

Uh...yes, they absolutely are Syrian, and you not liking that people dare to oppose Assad doesn't change that.

Your hysterical conspiracy filled rants are rather amusing, yes.
 
Tigerace117 said:
The fact that Assad was responsible for the chemical weapons attacks has been throughly established, and there is no obligation to indulge in your conspiracy peddling. Just like someone who tries to use Infowars is clearly using a bull**** source, so too is any other CTer claim.

Oh, and Fox absolutely did indulge in spewing conspiracy theories about Hilary Clinton.

Uh....no, the United States did not "create Al Qaeda". That is another idiotic conspiracy theory. Funny how you conveniently ignore how Russia blatantly invaded Afghanistan, Czechoslovakia, and multiple other states much more recently then Vietnam. But hey, if you screech long enough about "but America" you can ignore any number of facts.

Funny how much land you can "take from ISIS" when you simply declare everyone else to be ISIS.....or just roll in after the US and or the Kurds kicked their ass.
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1.You have to prove that Assad did the chemical attacks
2.Any source can be perceived of promoting conspiracy theories because you dont like it
3.America trained Osama Bin Ladin through their program, that is a fact
4.Sure the USSR has made bad invasions but so has the US and they do it to this day while Russia doesn't get in to pointless wars
5.Libya is through a civil war war right now, but sure gaddafi's Libya was worse:lamo:2funny:
6.The Pann bombing was a mistake and Gaddafi payed reparations, the US has never payed reparations and repeatedly kill civilians
7.The second bombing is still unclear whether Libya had anything to do with it, your source also says reagen rsponded by attacking Libya, clearly an attempt to smear a country and to kill a world leader, we have seen this before
8.The Taliban is extremely strong and is winning in Afghanistan no matter what the US does
9.The Mujahadeen was the pinnacle of jihad, jihad was founded in the 1980's through this war, tyhere was no such thing as jihad before this war
10.America consumes 18 billion barrels of oil everyday, America needs the oil to fuel their country, so of course they are going to be in Syria-looka t this clip, Trump says that they are taking the oil in Syria illegally, HE ADMITS IT

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11. Your ramblings about military weapons are unnecessary. The SAA has repeatedly struck back and has won against Turkish forces and sourounding their observation posts which are illegal btw
12. Peaceful protests?You mean the invasion of a legitimate country by the West, syria was listed as one of the CIA's targets back in the Bush administration
13.I have proved so many goddamn times that they were not syrian, you dont listen:roll:

LOL, you disgaree with someone, well there just a conspiracy theorist
 
TypicalRussian said:
1.You have to prove that Assad did the chemical attacks
2.Any source can be perceived of promoting conspiracy theories because you dont like it
3.America trained Osama Bin Ladin through their program, that is a fact
4.Sure the USSR has made bad invasions but so has the US and they do it to this day while Russia doesn't get in to pointless wars
5.Libya is through a civil war war right now, but sure gaddafi's Libya was worse:lamo:2funny:
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11. Your ramblings about military weapons are unnecessary. The SAA has repeatedly struck back and has won against Turkish forces and sourounding their observation posts which are illegal btw
12. Peaceful protests?You mean the invasion of a legitimate country by the West, syria was listed as one of the CIA's targets back in the Bush administration
13.I have proved so many goddamn times that they were not syrian, you dont listen:roll:

LOL, you disgaree with someone, well there just a conspiracy theorist
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1) It has been throughly proven at the international stage for years at this point. You being incapable of accepting reality because you love the dictator does not change the facts.

2) No, some sources flat out do nothing but peddle conspiracy theories. You agreeing with them because you think they exonerate your favorite dictator doesn’t change the facts....again.

3) The Mujahideen also included numerous anti Taliban fighters such as Ahmed Shah Massoud. Again, a fact. Trying to claim they were the “precursor to Al Qaeda” is simply incorrect.

4) Russia has launched numerous pointless invasions even up to today. “Pointless” describes Putin’s aggression to a T. Overthrowing brutal dictators like Saddam, on the other hand, is not “pointless”.

5) Gaddafi was a psychotic thug who ordered terrorist attacks, armed numerous terrorist groups, and was a rapist to boot. Anything would have preferable to him.

6) Unlike Gaddafi— who intentionally ordered the attack— the US does not intentionally target and kill innocent civilians.

7) Uh....no, it’s not “unclear” and hasn’t been for years.

“ Stasi files led German prosecutor Detlev Mehlis to Musbah Abdulghasem Eter, a Libyan who had worked at the Libyan embassy in East Berlin. Stasi files listed him as an agent, and Mehlis said he was the Libyan spy agency's main contact at the embassy.[5]

Eter and four other suspects were arrested in 1996 in Lebanon, Italy, Greece, and Berlin, and put on trial a year later. In 2001, Eter and two Palestinians, Yasser Mohammed Chreidi (or Yassar Al-Shuraidi or Yassir Chraidi) and Ali Chanaa were convicted in Berlin's Landgericht[8] of aiding in murder, and Chanaa's former German wife, Verena, was convicted of murder. They were given sentences of 12 to 14 years in prison.[9]
Prosecutor Mehlis proved beyond reasonable doubt that the three men had assembled the bomb in the Chanaas' flat. The explosive was said to have been brought into West Berlin in a Libyan diplomatic bag.[10] Verena Chanaa and her sister, Andrea Häusler, carried it into the La Belle in a travel bag and left five minutes before it exploded.[5]”

8) The Taliban have suffered defeat after defeat for almost twenty years. That’s not “winning” by anyone’s measure.

9) First off, the religious concept of “jihad” existed long before the 1980s and had numerous non military meanings. Secondly, under the modern usage of the term, there are examples going back at least as far as 1912 and the Italian War in Libya....or the Mahdist rebellion in the Sudan in 1881. So yo7 are wrong again...and as usual.

10) America produces large amounts of oil domestically and gets even more from countries like Canada. The fact that there aren’t US marines in Caracas right now despite the utter ****show Maduro turned the country into shows what a delusional lie the “it’s all about oil” myth is.

11) Ah yes, in almost a decade we’ve seen plenty of “striking back”. Funny how it’s never amounted to anything :roll:

12) Again, if the US actually invaded Syria Bashir al-Assad would be in The Hague right now. The Syrian Army would have crumpled like a wet paper bag.

13) Again, your fantasies do not change the fact that tens of thousands of Syrians are or have fought against your favorite dictator.
 
"Turkey has agreed to meet in Tehran between Turkey, Russia and Iran next month to discuss the situation in Idlib."

Russia and Assad did not bend, did not believe in cheap threats and Erdi immediately turned on the rear drive, demanded negotiations...
 
Tigerace117 said:
1) It has been throughly proven at the international stage for years at this point. You being incapable of accepting reality because you love the dictator does not change the facts.
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Oh, sorry! Didn't realized, that your evidence comes from such a reliable and respected source as " Everybody knows it!"
 
Ringo Stalin said:
Oh, sorry! Didn't realized, that your evidence comes from such a reliable and respected source as " Everybody knows it!"
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And somehow it’s still more reputable than a pathological liar like Grover Furr.
 
Turkish soldiers killed in Syria amid threats of escalation

Two Turkish soldiers were killed this morning during an airstrike in Syria.

These deaths aren't going to go over well in Ankara. Erdogan had vowed on February 12 to take military action “everywhere in Syria” if another Turkish soldier was killed or wounded.
 
Colonel Myles Coggins, spokesman for the US coalition in Syria: "Idlib is a magnet for terrorists of all stripes who constantly pose a threat to the civilian population"

Trump gives Assad the green light to liberate the North of the country?
 
Tigerace117 said:
1) It has been throughly proven at the international stage for years at this point. You being incapable of accepting reality because you love the dictator does not change the facts.

2) No, some sources flat out do nothing but peddle conspiracy theories. You agreeing with them because you think they exonerate your favorite dictator doesn’t change the facts....again.

3) The Mujahideen also included numerous anti Taliban fighters such as Ahmed Shah Massoud. Again, a fact. Trying to claim they were the “precursor to Al Qaeda” is simply incorrect.

4) Russia has launched numerous pointless invasions even up to today. “Pointless” describes Putin’s aggression to a T. Overthrowing brutal dictators like Saddam, on the other hand, is not “pointless”.

5) Gaddafi was a psychotic thug who ordered terrorist attacks, armed numerous terrorist groups, and was a rapist to boot. Anything would have preferable to him.
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1.No evidence once again, I am not surprised

2.Yet no evidence that the source was not reliable or anything, just blind accusations

3.Why? Osama Bin Laden was part of the Mujahadeen and the inner militias did nothing about the radicalization of Islam present.

4.Really, throwing a country into complete chaos for 8 years is not pointless, ok got it!

5.Are you serious!:lamo A WAR or gaddafi, it's clear you don't know anything about the scale of human life here or the toll of war, everybody would choose Gaddafi

6.The U.S wanted to kill a world leader and launch the country into crisis, it isn't even proven that Gaddafi ordered the attack

7.Read your source, Gaddafi never ordered the attack, these people were not good lubyan representatives, it's like the turkish man who killed a russian representive after the liberation of Idlib, doesn't mean Turkey ordered the attac

8.No, The Taliban is winning, they are resilinet after 2 decades of war by the "greatest" ,military force in the world

Afghanistan: Who controls what | Afghanistan | Al Jazeera

9.So, jihad was a thing of the past and dead, It was REVIVED, America and the mujaheddin Specifically made the 80's war in Afghan about religion for a reason, it was obvious the intent to get the fighters rowled up for a religious war.:shoot

10.America has been allies with Venezuela for along time until maduro, political parties exist there and America supports one, in the Middle east, where two party systems are rarer, it is easier to invade, The US sanctioned Venezuela and now it is allies with Russia, however an invasion of Venezuela was hinted at by Trump but EVERYBODY was against it for various reasons, one was not wanting to help a socialist country and the left is never-trumpers, and as you know, politicians do everything for electibility, so it never happened

11.It has amounted to a lot, the US has lost every major war in the middle east in the 21st century

12.I agree, there is no way that the SAA would stand, but the civilians would be heavily against it and so would Americans, Obama was confused at the time and dint know what to do

13.I have proved this point SO MANY times yet you don't listen and say "noooooo, they are all syrians"
 
Rogue Valley said:
Let me guess. Sheepshead Bay or Brighton Beach (Little Odessa) in New York.

btw, the correct name of the city is Оде́са (Odesa in Ukrainian).
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Nope, while that is a good guess and i have been there before to experience Russian culture
 
Ringo Stalin said:
Colonel Myles Coggins, spokesman for the US coalition in Syria: "Idlib is a magnet for terrorists of all stripes who constantly pose a threat to the civilian population"

Trump gives Assad the green light to liberate the North of the country?
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Nah, he has always been against the fools in Washington, I like him and is the only good person in the DOD tasked with a mission in the middle east, im sure he would love to do great things to improve the war and bring peace after 9 bloody years but the Pentagon is not having any of it
 
TypicalRussian said:
1.No evidence once again, I am not surprised

2.Yet no evidence that the source was not reliable or anything, just blind accusations

3.Why? Osama Bin Laden was part of the Mujahadeen and the inner militias did nothing about the radicalization of Islam present.

4.Really, throwing a country into complete chaos for 8 years is not pointless, ok got it!

5.Are you serious!:lamo A WAR or gaddafi, it's clear you don't know anything about the scale of human life here or the toll of war, everybody would choose Gaddafi

6.The U.S wanted to kill a world leader and launch the country into crisis, it isn't even proven that Gaddafi ordered the attack

7.Read your source, Gaddafi never ordered the attack, these people were not good lubyan representatives, it's like the turkish man who killed a russian representive after the liberation of Idlib, doesn't mean Turkey ordered the attac

8.No, The Taliban is winning, they are resilinet after 2 decades of war by the "greatest" ,military force in the world

Afghanistan: Who controls what | Afghanistan | Al Jazeera

9.So, jihad was a thing of the past and dead, It was REVIVED, America and the mujaheddin Specifically made the 80's war in Afghan about religion for a reason, it was obvious the intent to get the fighters rowled up for a religious war.:shoot

10.America has been allies with Venezuela for along time until maduro, political parties exist there and America supports one, in the Middle east, where two party systems are rarer, it is easier to invade, The US sanctioned Venezuela and now it is allies with Russia, however an invasion of Venezuela was hinted at by Trump but EVERYBODY was against it for various reasons, one was not wanting to help a socialist country and the left is never-trumpers, and as you know, politicians do everything for electibility, so it never happened

11.It has amounted to a lot, the US has lost every major war in the middle east in the 21st century

12.I agree, there is no way that the SAA would stand, but the civilians would be heavily against it and so would Americans, Obama was confused at the time and dint know what to do

13.I have proved this point SO MANY times yet you don't listen and say "noooooo, they are all syrians"
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1) Already addressed; it has been exhaustively covered by the international community. Your ignorance is not my problem.

2) Already addressed; just because a source defends your favorite dictator does not make them credible.

3) And as I stated earlier, so were many anti Taliban fighters such as Ahmed Shah Massoud. The only unifying factor in the Mujahideen was opposition to the invading Russians and their communist puppets. Trying to claim the US “created Al Qaeda” is like trying to claim the UK created Action Directe because they armed the French Resistance during World War Two.

4) Liberating people from a psychotic dictator is the exact opposite of “pointless”.

5) Being free from tyranny is worth fighting for, and if necessary dying for. Nobody said freedom was easy, or the road to it not difficult, but it sure as beats the alternatives.

6) The US wanted to prevent a psychotic thug from slaughtering his own people....again.

7) Uh...no, these were not random individuals. These were folks directly affiliated with the Libyan state and with the Gaddafi dictatorship. You don’t conduct a terrorist attack in a state like that without direct state backing.

8) The Taliban “contest” a lot of areas in the boonies. “Controlling” miles of desert in the middle of nowhere does not get them any closer to returning to power, and it certainly doesn’t mean they are “winning”.

9) Your grasping at straws is rather amusing. Faced with the fact your conspiracy theory about America “creating” jihad was false, you turn around and claim the US “revived jihad”....which was equally false. As for being stirred up, the Soviet policy of systematically committed mass murder had a lot more to do with that.

10) So in other words a whole lot of flailing and excuse making for the fact that the US has not invaded Venezuela and isn’t going to. The “it’s all for the oil” myth is pathetic.

11) False....as usual.

12) Which does not change the fact that if the US wanted Assad out, he’d be overthrown in minutes.

13) You haven’t proven anything. Someone opposing your favorite dictator does not mean they are “not Syrian”.
 
Tigerace117 said:
1) Already addressed; it has been exhaustively covered by the international community. Your ignorance is not my problem.

2) Already addressed; just because a source defends your favorite dictator does not make them credible.

3) And as I stated earlier, so were many anti Taliban fighters such as Ahmed Shah Massoud. The only unifying factor in the Mujahideen was opposition to the invading Russians and their communist puppets. Trying to claim the US “created Al Qaeda” is like trying to claim the UK created Action Directe because they armed the French Resistance during World War Two.

4) Liberating people from a psychotic dictator is the exact opposite of “pointless”.

5) Being free from tyranny is worth fighting for, and if necessary dying for. Nobody said freedom was easy, or the road to it not difficult, but it sure as beats the alternatives.

6) The US wanted to prevent a psychotic thug from slaughtering his own people....again.

7) Uh...no, these were not random individuals. These were folks directly affiliated with the Libyan state and with the Gaddafi dictatorship. You don’t conduct a terrorist attack in a state like that without direct state backing.

8) The Taliban “contest” a lot of areas in the boonies. “Controlling” miles of desert in the middle of nowhere does not get them any closer to returning to power, and it certainly doesn’t mean they are “winning”.

9) Your grasping at straws is rather amusing. Faced with the fact your conspiracy theory about America “creating” jihad was false, you turn around and claim the US “revived jihad”....which was equally false. As for being stirred up, the Soviet policy of systematically committed mass murder had a lot more to do with that.

10) So in other words a whole lot of flailing and excuse making for the fact that the US has not invaded Venezuela and isn’t going to. The “it’s all for the oil” myth is pathetic.

11) False....as usual.

12) Which does not change the fact that if the US wanted Assad out, he’d be overthrown in minutes.

13) You haven’t proven anything. Someone opposing your favorite dictator does not mean they are “not Syrian”.
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1.The international "community" is known for faking things, the Chemical weapons in Iraq? Never existed

2.This makes no sense, my source has proven that the rebels admitted to the 2013 chemical weapons attack? How is Assad a dictator, he won an election:lamo

3.The US made it about religion

4.Iraq was a ****show for 8 years where hundreds of thousands died

5."freedom" is not the US giving a bunch of radicals the power to run a country with large amounts of oil

6.And look how it turned out, there still slaughtering their own people

7.How do you know that? There have been tons of people who have conducted terrorist attacks in government that isn't connected to the central government.

October 2018 United States mail bombing attempts - Wikipedia

Does this mean Trump ordered a terrorist attack

8.So the Us is losing in the desert? Glad you admitted that our strategy isn't working

9.

During the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, despite being a predominantly Sunni nation, Afghanistan's Shiite population took arms against the Communist government and allied Soviet forces like the nation's Sunnis and were collectively referred to as the Afghan Mujahideen. Shiite Jihadists in Afghanistan were known as the Tehran Eight and received support from the Iranian government in fighting against the Communist Afghan government and allied Soviet forces in Afghanistan.
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Jihad - Wikipedia

This is modern jihad, because the definition is way too broad, "the struggle or fight against Islam's enemies" yeah ok:confused:

10.Trump suggested that the US should invade Venezualua

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11.No evidence, as usual:2party::2party:

12.What would that accomplish besides a failed state and revolts against US like in Iraq

13.I have proved it, why are you denying this fact
 
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