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    Perhaps a Million Iraqis March to Tell US/Foreign Military Forces to Leave Iraq.

    A "million-man march" by Shi'a Iraqis organised by the anti-foreign interference Shi'a cleric Muqtada al-Sadr which just took place in Baghdad is demanding US and other foreign military forces leave Iraqi territory immediately.

    Huge rally as Iraqis demand US troops pull out - BBC News

    What will US and other foreign military forces do? The Iraqi Parliament has passed a non-binding resolution ordering US and other foreign military forces out of Iraq ASAP. The care-taker Prime Minister of Iraq has ordered US forces out by the end of 2020. Hundreds of thousands (perhaps a million) Iraqis have marched to support the expulsions just outside the Green Zone. The US Secty of State and the US Secty of Defence as well as the US President have said that US military forces will not leave Iraq while foreign military forces are preparing to leave.

    Will the US militarily occupy Iraq in contravention of the 2014 agreement with Iraq to readmit* US forces to fight ISIL and the Islamic Caliphate? Will an Iraqi insurrgency and resistence begin to target US forces?

    What's President Trump's game-plan in Iraq?

    The word "readmit" is asterixed because the US Forces never really left as inflated embassy and consulate protection forces plus US-paid military contractors (mercenaries) remainded in force after the 2011 "US pull-out".

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    Re: Perhaps a Million Iraqis March to Tell US/Foreign Military Forces to Leave Iraq.

    I'm certain that Germans wanted American military forces to leave Germany at the end of WW2 too.
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    Re: Perhaps a Million Iraqis March to Tell US/Foreign Military Forces to Leave Iraq.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilroddy View Post
    Will the US militarily occupy Iraq in contravention of the 2014 agreement with Iraq to readmit* US forces to fight ISIL and the Islamic Caliphate? Will an Iraqi insurrgency and resistence begin to target US forces?
    Yes, and yes.

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    Re: Perhaps a Million Iraqis March to Tell US/Foreign Military Forces to Leave Iraq.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilroddy View Post
    A "million-man march" by Shi'a Iraqis organised by the anti-foreign interference Shi'a cleric Muqtada al-Sadr which just took place in Baghdad is demanding US and other foreign military forces leave Iraqi territory immediately.

    Huge rally as Iraqis demand US troops pull out - BBC News

    What will US and other foreign military forces do? The Iraqi Parliament has passed a non-binding resolution ordering US and other foreign military forces out of Iraq ASAP. The care-taker Prime Minister of Iraq has ordered US forces out by the end of 2020. Hundreds of thousands (perhaps a million) Iraqis have marched to support the expulsions just outside the Green Zone. The US Secty of State and the US Secty of Defence as well as the US President have said that US military forces will not leave Iraq while foreign military forces are preparing to leave.

    Will the US militarily occupy Iraq in contravention of the 2014 agreement with Iraq to readmit* US forces to fight ISIL and the Islamic Caliphate? Will an Iraqi insurrgency and resistence begin to target US forces?

    What's President Trump's game-plan in Iraq?

    The word "readmit" is asterixed because the US Forces never really left as inflated embassy and consulate protection forces plus US-paid military contractors (mercenaries) remainded in force after the 2011 "US pull-out".

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    Trump's original "game plan" was to pull out of the Middle East entirely. Starting with Syria immediately after the defeat of ISIS, followed by Afghanistan, and Iraq.

    Who howled about it back then? Military leaders, Democrats, Republicans...seemed like everyone in government except Trump thought it was a "bad idea."

    IMO he wants to get out, but not be "driven out."

    I'd say he will wait until things simmer down, to show he isn't compelled by Iran, Iraq, or anyone...then in his own time simply start a phased withdrawal.

    That's my hope anyway, as one of the first things he does either just before the 2020 election, or shortly after (if it happens) re-election.
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    Re: Perhaps a Million Iraqis March to Tell US/Foreign Military Forces to Leave Iraq.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I'm certain that Germans wanted American military forces to leave Germany at the end of WW2 too.
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    In WWII Nazi Germany declared war on the United States of America. In the 2003 the USA invaded Iraq based on a calculated campaign of deception and false causi belli. The USA was the aggressor in the 2003 war and did not have proper and legal Congressional or international authorisation to wage the war. Finally WWII predates the UN Charter which banned aggressive war but the 2003 Invasion post dates that Charter, which the US signed on to, by 55 years.

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    Re: Perhaps a Million Iraqis March to Tell US/Foreign Military Forces to Leave Iraq.

    Trump is the least likely to stay in Iraq if the government officially requests it pack up and go. I doubt, however, the majority mean what they posture - they know damn well what foreign forces will ignore their request and who won't.

    But save for protecting the Kurds, the rest of Iraq can go to hell if that is what they choose. Americans are fed up with dealing with a people whose religion, culture, and perhaps inante biology preclude any other form of social cohesion except that which is enforced by a ruthless dictator.

    I'm sure there is a new Saddam Hussein in the wings, just licking his chops.

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    Re: Perhaps a Million Iraqis March to Tell US/Foreign Military Forces to Leave Iraq.

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    Trump is the least likely to stay in Iraq if the government officially requests it pack up and go. I doubt, however, the majority mean what they posture - they know damn well what foreign forces will ignore their request and who won't.

    But save for protecting the Kurds, the rest of Iraq can go to hell if that is what they choose. Americans are fed up with dealing with a people whose religion, culture, and perhaps inante biology preclude any other form of social cohesion except that which is enforced by a ruthless dictator.

    I'm sure there is a new Saddam Hussein in the wings, just licking his chops.
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    Dictators are in vogue in Washington these days. The Saudis, El-Sisi's Egypt, Duterte's Philippines, Kim Jong-Un's N. Korea, Victor Orban's Hungary, Xi's China, Modi's India, and of course Putin's Russia are all respected regimes in the eyes of the US Head of State. Why should Iraq be any different to all these other states?

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    Re: Perhaps a Million Iraqis March to Tell US/Foreign Military Forces to Leave Iraq.

    Hopefully Trump will take this opportunity to get us the hell out of there. And while we are at it, get the hell out of Afghanistan too.
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    Re: Perhaps a Million Iraqis March to Tell US/Foreign Military Forces to Leave Iraq.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilroddy View Post
    Joko104:

    In WWII Nazi Germany declared war on the United States of America. In the 2003 the USA invaded Iraq based on a calculated campaign of deception and false causi belli. The USA was the aggressor in the 2003 war and did not have proper and legal Congressional or international authorisation to wage the war. Finally WWII predates the UN Charter which banned aggressive war but the 2003 Invasion post dates that Charter, which the US signed on to, by 55 years.

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    Didn't congress actually vote to invade Iraq? I keep hearing it was a horrible decision by Joe Biden from Bernie Sanders.

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    Re: Perhaps a Million Iraqis March to Tell US/Foreign Military Forces to Leave Iraq.

    Quote Originally Posted by charliebrown View Post
    Didn't congress actually vote to invade Iraq? I keep hearing it was a horrible decision by Joe Biden from Bernie Sanders.
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    The Congress voted to allow the President to use military force to remove the Regime of Saddam Hussein. Whether this amounted to a declaration of war is still a hotly debated issue. The justifications for the use of military force were about 1/3 false, 1/3 very debatable and 1/3 true. The scope of the military intervention was also debatable as was the need for international authorisation before a full-blown war could be started. Congress authorised no funds to pay for and support such a war. To date it remains an unfunded military operation. So the case that the AUMF of 2002 authorised whole scale war is debatable.

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