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Perhaps a Million Iraqis March to Tell US/Foreign Military Forces to Leave Iraq.

No, it did not.

In fact, Congress gave the President a blanket authorization to use military force.

The Republicans were still pretending that Bush wasn’t going to start a war, and DeLay and Hastert were giving empty assertions that no military action would take place unless Iraq was declared in breach of the inspections regime.

As the winter of 2003 turned into spring, and it became more and more obvious that mushroom clouds, weapons of mass destruction or iminent threat to the US only existed in the imaginations of Dick Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld, the need to accelerate starting the war became more apparent before the American public started to get wise to the fact that none of this noise that was being blasted on talk radio and Fox (and by Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Lutti, Faith, Wolfowitz and Pearle) was actually true (as it turned out not to be).

So, in order for Bush to start his war, he first started to try and railroad the UN into supporting the war. When it became apparent that France, Russia and Germany were competing over who would veto the resolution (one of the very few times that a UN resolution was vetoed by a US ally), Bush abruptly changed course and started the war.

Damn, they gave a loaded gun to children and they did not see what would happen after that. Damn.

I just wonder when Congress will stop abdicating responsibilities to the president.
 
Damn, they gave a loaded gun to children and they did not see what would happen after that. Damn.

I just wonder when Congress will stop abdicating responsibilities to the president.

charliebrown:

Ecce imperatoria praesidis! "Behold, the imperial presidency!".

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Are you. What do you think was stopping the Soviet Union from overrunning all of western Europe? Basically, that's what the Normandy invasions were about, stopping Russia.
You need to read some history. Russia won that war, so emphatically that they came out owning half of Europe and the Allies were just there to stop them owning all of it.
Here's something someone so ignorant of history might not know- one of the shining moments in US history, one of the moments when America lived up to it's self-perception, came when Krushchev blockaded Berlin and Kennedy ordered it supplied by air. Google "Berlin airlift". Google "Ich bin ein Berliner!"
And don't kid yourself. Every German then knew the value of the Allied troops in West Germany.

The Soviets were the ones pushing the hardest for the Normandy landings. They desperately wanted— and needed— an second major front to draw German troops away.
 
A "million-man march" by Shi'a Iraqis organised by the anti-foreign interference Shi'a cleric Muqtada al-Sadr which just took place in Baghdad is demanding US and other foreign military forces leave Iraqi territory immediately.

Huge rally as Iraqis demand US troops pull out - BBC News

What will US and other foreign military forces do? The Iraqi Parliament has passed a non-binding resolution ordering US and other foreign military forces out of Iraq ASAP. The care-taker Prime Minister of Iraq has ordered US forces out by the end of 2020. Hundreds of thousands (perhaps a million) Iraqis have marched to support the expulsions just outside the Green Zone. The US Secty of State and the US Secty of Defence as well as the US President have said that US military forces will not leave Iraq while foreign military forces are preparing to leave.

Will the US militarily occupy Iraq in contravention of the 2014 agreement with Iraq to readmit* US forces to fight ISIL and the Islamic Caliphate? Will an Iraqi insurrgency and resistence begin to target US forces?

What's President Trump's game-plan in Iraq?

The word "readmit" is asterixed because the US Forces never really left as inflated embassy and consulate protection forces plus US-paid military contractors (mercenaries) remainded in force after the 2011 "US pull-out".

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Where in the article does it talk to a million people marched???

Are you making up that number? Where did it come from?
 
Where in the article does it talk to a million people marched???

Are you making up that number? Where did it come from?

Washhunut:

The very first line of the BBC report says Moqtada al-Sadr called for a million-march. Whether the Iraqis reached that threshold is unknown therefore the word "perhaps" in the title and the OP. The point is that lots of Iraqis want the US Military out of their country but America has so far refused to leave. If a hegemonic foreign power based in the USA was launching military strikes against Americans from those American bases, like the US is doing to Iraqis, then I wager you would feel the same way too.

Cheers.
Evilroddy
 
Washhunut:

The very first line of the BBC report says Moqtada al-Sadr called for a million-march. Whether the Iraqis reached that threshold is unknown therefore the word "perhaps" in the title and the OP. The point is that lots of Iraqis want the US Military out of their country but America has so far refused to leave. If a hegemonic foreign power based in the USA was launching military strikes against Americans from those American bases, like the US is doing to Iraqis, then I wager you would feel the same way too.

Cheers.
Evilroddy

Agree that the pro-Iranian population of Iraq wants us out and have for 15 years. I would like our troops out but don't look forward to Iran effectively controlling Iraq's oil fields with which they can choke Western economies.

Pretty sure that is not a problem for you based on my reading of your posts. Perhaps I am wrong.
 
Jamesbyoung:

1948 1948-49) is in the ball park but 1972 is a decade too late for the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Thank you, rodbod: 1962 is the correct date for the CMC.
 
Agree that the pro-Iranian population of Iraq wants us out and have for 15 years. I would like our troops out but don't look forward to Iran effectively controlling Iraq's oil fields with which they can choke Western economies.

Pretty sure that is not a problem for you based on my reading of your posts. Perhaps I am wrong.

Washunut:

America has very large military bases in Jordan, Bahrain, Kuwait, the UAE, Turkey and Saudi Arabia from which to contain and interdict Iran. They don't need to occupy Iraq or Northeastern Syria to make life hard for Iran if it continues to expand its influence westward across Mesopotamia and the Levant. Operate out of military bases where you have been welcomed rather than occupying where you are not.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Except, of course, there are no signs of any such “bloodbath” occurring as a result of this.

It's not occurring yet, but it will.
As It did when the ****tes first took over, but nothing like what will happen,.
BTW, Sunni and Shia just don't get along.
 
It's not occurring yet, but it will.
As It did when the ****tes first took over, but nothing like what will happen,.
BTW, Sunni and Shia just don't get along.

Btw, neither do Protestants and Catholics, as Northern Ireland shows.

You fantasizing about a “bloodbath” is meaningless.
 
Btw, neither do Protestants and Catholics, as Northern Ireland shows.

You fantasizing about a “bloodbath” is meaningless.

Do you even know why the problems in N Ireland.
 
Do you even know why the problems in N Ireland.

Yes, actually, being part Irish I have studied it extensively.

Hatred between the different religious branches of Christianity has been a massive issue and caused many deaths over the centuries.
 
Stoltenberg:
"The NATO defense Ministers agreed to strengthen the Alliance's mission in Iraq in close cooperation and coordination with the Iraqi government."
The most democratic Alliance sends a heartfelt spit in the face of the Iraqi Parliament, which voted for the withdrawal of foreign troops.
 
Yes, actually, being part Irish I have studied it extensively.

Hatred between the different religious branches of Christianity has been a massive issue and caused many deaths over the centuries.

So you don't know about that either.

It is about land, the 5 northern counties stolen by the British.
Yes, British were Protestant.,
Irish were Catholic.

And religious differences were an excuse from a long time ago.

But it is land, not whose God is better.
 
So you don't know about that either.

It is about land, the 5 northern counties stolen by the British.
Yes, British were Protestant.,
Irish were Catholic.

And religious differences were an excuse from a long time ago.

But it is land, not whose God is better.

It’s six counties in Northern Ireland, not five. So you can’t even get the basic facts right.

Secondly, the whole reason for the Troubles in the first place was the decades of abuse the Catholic Irish populace had suffered at the hands of the Protestant hierarchy. The common people being overwhelming Catholic was used as a excuse to justify their repression. Religion absolutely played a massive role in the Troubles.
 
Looks like there was a rocket attack in northern Iraq on a US base
 
Europe is shocked. A video appeared online showing refugees on the border with Greece holding children over the smoke of a fire to make them cry. For a pathetic picture.
For some reason, the methods of "White helmets" brought to European soil, do not arouse the former admiration of western democracies...
 
The head of the European Council, Charles Michel, said that together with Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis, he will visit the Greek-Turkish border because of the refugee crisis.
You need to hang there a poster with the image of Vladimir Putin and the words: "Do you even understand now what you have done (c)?"
The next time European politicians want democracy for a people, the bombing stage can be skipped.
It is better to immediately take the population of the selected country to Europe as refugees. And the goal will be achieved (people in a democracy) and they will save on bombs.
 
No country needs thousands of new refugees with the Coronavirus.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
 
Europe is shocked. A video appeared online showing refugees on the border with Greece holding children over the smoke of a fire to make them cry. For a pathetic picture.
For some reason, the methods of "White helmets" brought to European soil, do not arouse the former admiration of western democracies...

RS:

Desperate people do desperate things. I assume you are not a refugee yourself and that you may not fully understand such desperation. Any tactic which improves their chance of successfully getting to a destination where they can have hope is fair game to them, so long as their children are not hurt. If you yourself were in such dire straits, can you say with certainty that you would not try similar schemes in order to build a better future for your family and yourself?

It is easy to criticise the desperate from behind a keyboard in a warm and secure home stocked with food.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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