We must brace ourselves for isolation, ayatollah tells Iran

Yasureoktoo said:

We know the use of the right and left hand is an important part of Islam.

Please tell us how that originated.

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We know how psychotic thugs who think like you murdered thousands of innocent Muslims in Bosnia in the name of “fighting Islam”.

What wife was it, where Muhammeds men stood around his tent while he was raping her, for fear of his life, and why.

Tigerace117 said:

I don’t give a **** what “book title” you want.

There is no reason why I should have to explain basic facts like no, Islam is not “terrorism” to you.

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So you are finally admitting you never read a thing about Muhammed and are just blowing wind.

Was Muhammed really accused of having sex with a dead woman.

Yasureoktoo said:

So you are finally admitting you never read a thing about Muhammed and are just blowing wind.

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Reading Mein Kampf doesn’t teach you anything about Judaism.

Likewise, reading moronic books by hacks who list wars which had nothing to do with religion as “Muslim wars” teaches you nothing about Islam.

Allah taught two people how to read True Arabic, ( Classical Arabic).
who were they.

Yasureoktoo said:

Was Muhammed really accused of having sex with a dead woman.

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“ On 12 July 1995, as the day wore on, the refugees in the compound could see VRS members setting houses and haystacks on fire. Throughout the afternoon, Serb soldiers mingled in the crowd and summary executions of men occurred.[56] In the late morning of 12 July a witness saw a pile of 20 to 30 bodies heaped up behind the Transport Building in Potočari, alongside a tractor-like machine. Another testified that he saw a soldier slay a child with a knife in the middle of a crowd of expellees. He also said that he saw Serb soldiers execute more than a hundred Bosniak Muslim men in the area behind the Zinc Factory and then load their bodies onto a truck, although the number and nature of the murders stand in contrast to other evidence in the Trial Record, which indicates that the killings in Potočari were sporadic in nature. Soldiers were picking people out of the crowd and taking them away. A witness recounted how three brothers—one merely a child and the others in their teens—were taken out in the night. When the boys' mother went looking for them, she found them stark naked and with their throats slit.[56][73] That night, a Dutchbat medical orderly witnessed two Serb soldiers raping a young woman.[73]
One survivor described the murder of a baby and the rape of women occurring in the close vicinity of Dutch UN peacekeepers who did nothing to prevent it. According to the survivor, a Serb told a mother to make her child stop crying, and when it continued to cry he took it and slit its throat, after which he laughed.[74] Stories about rapes and killings spread through the crowd and the terror in the camp escalated.[56] Several individuals were so terrified that they committed suicide by hanging themselves.[73]

One of the survivors, Zarfa Turković, described the horrors of rapes as follows: "Two [Serb soldiers] took her legs and raised them up in the air, while the third began raping her. Four of them were taking turns on her. People were silent, no one moved. She was screaming and yelling and begging them to stop. They put a rag into her mouth and then we just heard silent sobs...."[75][76]”

“ From the morning of 12 July, Serb forces began gathering men and boys from the refugee population in Potočari and holding them in separate locations, and as the refugees began boarding the buses headed north towards Bosniak-held territory, Serb soldiers separated out men of military age who were trying to clamber aboard. Occasionally, younger and older men were stopped as well (some as young as 14 or 15).[77][78][79] These men were taken to a building in Potočari referred to as the "White House". As early as the evening of 12 July 1995, Major Franken of the Dutchbat heard that no men were arriving with the women and children at their destination in Kladanj.[56] At this time, the UNHCR Director of Operations, Peter Walsh, was dispatched to Srebrenica by the UNHCR Chief of Mission, Damaso Feci, to evaluate what emergency aid could be provided rapidly. Peter Walsh and his team arrived at Gostilj, just outside Srebrenica, in the early afternoon only to be turned away by VRS forces. Despite claiming freedom of movement rights, the UNHCR team was not allowed to proceed and was forced to head back north to Bijelina. Throughout this time, Peter Walsh relayed reports back to UNHCR in Zagreb about the unfolding situation including witnessing the enforced movement and abuse of Muslim men and boys and the sound of summary executions taking place.
On 13 July 1995, Dutchbat troops witnessed definite signs that the Serb soldiers were murdering some of the Bosniak men who had been separated. For example, Corporal Vaasen saw two soldiers take a man behind the "White House", heard a shot and saw the two soldiers reappear alone. Another Dutchbat officer saw Serb soldiers murder an unarmed man with a single gunshot to the head and heard gunshots 20–40 times an hour throughout the afternoon. When the Dutchbat soldiers told Colonel Joseph Kingori, a United Nations Military Observer (UNMO) in the Srebrenica area, that men were being taken behind the "White House" and not coming back, Colonel Kingori went to investigate. He heard gunshots as he approached, but was stopped by Serb soldiers before he could find out what was going on.[56]
Some of the executions were carried out at night under arc lights, and bulldozers then pushed the bodies into mass graves.[80] According to evidence collected from Bosniaks by French policeman Jean-René Ruez, some were buried alive; he also heard testimony describing Serb forces killing and torturing refugees at will, streets littered with corpses, people committing suicide to avoid having their noses, lips and ears chopped off, and adults being forced to watch the soldiers kill their children.[80]”

Srebrenica massacre - Wikipedia

Tigerace117 said:

Reading Mein Kampf doesn’t teach you anything about Judaism.

Likewise, reading moronic books by hacks who list wars which had nothing to do with religion as “Muslim wars” teaches you nothing about Islam.

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That's why I stick with Islamic sources only.

Hell, you didn't even read them.

Yasureoktoo said:

Allah taught two people how to read True Arabic, ( Classical Arabic).
who were they.

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“ Close to Sandići, on the main road from Bratunac to Konjević Polje, one witness describes the Serbs forcing a Bosniak man to call other Bosniaks down from the mountains. Some 200 to 300 men, including the witness' brother, followed his instructions and descended to meet the VRS, presumably expecting some exchange of prisoners would take place. The witness hid behind a tree to see what would happen next. He watched as the men were lined up in seven ranks, each some forty metres in length, with their hands behind their heads; they were then mowed down by machine gun fire.[105]
A small number of women, children and elderly people who had been part of the column were allowed to join the buses evacuating the women and children out of Potočari. Among them was Alma Delimustafić, a soldier of the 28th Brigade; at this time, Delimustafić was in her civilian clothes and was released.[106]”

“ The Army of Republika Srpska took the largest number of prisoners on 13 July, along the Bratunac-Konjević Polje road. It remains impossible to cite a precise figure, but witness statements describe the assembly points such as the field at Sandići, the agricultural warehouses in Kravica, the school in Konjević Polje, the football field in Nova Kasaba, the village of Lolići and the village school of Luke. Several thousands of people were herded together in the field near Sandići and on the Nova Kasaba football pitch, where they were searched and put into smaller groups. In a video tape made by journalist Zoran Petrović, a Serb soldier states that at least 3,000 to 4,000 men had given themselves up on the road. By the late afternoon of 13 July, the total had risen to some 6,000 according to the intercepted radio communication; the following day, Major Franken of Dutchbat was given the same figure by Colonel Radislav Janković of the Serb army. Many of the prisoners had been seen in the locations described by passing convoys taking the women and children to Kladanj by bus, while various aerial photographs have since provided evidence to confirm this version of events.[100][117]”

Yasureoktoo said:

That's why I stick with Islamic sources only.

Hell, you didn't even read them.

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Lol sure you did buddy :lamo

We know Muhammed was obsessed with, Dung and urine, fire and scalding water, and food that chokes.
what do psychologists attribute that to.

Yasureoktoo said:

We know Muhammed was obsessed with, Dung and urine, fire and scalding water, and food that chokes.
what do psychologists attribute that to.

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“ The first large-scale mass executions began on the afternoon of 13 July 1995 in the valley of the River Cerska, to the west of Konjević Polje. One witness, hidden among trees, saw two or three trucks, followed by an armoured vehicle and an earthmoving machine proceeding towards Cerska. After that, he heard gunshots for half an hour and then saw the armoured vehicle going in the opposite direction, but not the earthmoving machine. Other witnesses report seeing a pool of blood alongside the road to Cerska that day. Muhamed Duraković, a UN translator, probably passed this execution site later that day. He reports seeing bodies tossed into a ditch alongside the road, with some men still alive.[120][121]
Aerial photos and excavations later confirmed the presence of a mass grave near this location. Ammunition cartridges found at the scene reveal that the victims were lined up on one side of the road, whereupon their executioners shot from the other. The bodies—150 in number—were covered with earth where they lay. It could later be established that they had been killed by guns. All were men, between the ages of 14 and 50. All but three of the 150 were wearing civilian clothes. Many had their hands tied behind their backs. Nine could later be identified and were indeed on the list of missing persons from Srebrenica.[120]”

“ Supposedly, there was more killing in and around Kravica and Sandići. Even before the murders in the warehouse, some 200 or 300 men were formed up in ranks near Sandići and then were executed en masse with concentrated machine guns. At Kravica, it seems that the local population had a hand in the killings. Some victims were mutilated and killed with knives. The bodies were taken to Bratunac or simply dumped in the river that runs alongside the road. One witness states that this all took place on 14 July. There were three survivors of the mass murder in the farm sheds at Kravica.[122]
Armed guards shot at the men who tried to climb out the windows to escape the massacre. When the shooting stopped, the shed was full of bodies. Another survivor, who was only slightly wounded, reports:
I was not even able to touch the floor, the concrete floor of the warehouse.... After the shooting, I felt a strange kind of heat, warmth, which was coming from the blood that covered the concrete floor and I was stepping on the dead people who were lying around. But there were even men (just men) who were still alive, who were only wounded and as soon as I would step on him, I would hear him cry, moan, because I was trying to move as fast as I could. I could tell that people had been completely disembodied and I could feel bones of the people that had been hit by those bursts of bullets or shells, I could feel their ribs crushing. Then I would get up again and continue....[56]
When this witness climbed out of a window, he was seen by a guard who shot at him. He then pretended to be dead and managed to escape the following morning. The other witness quoted above spent the night under a heap of bodies; the next morning, he watched as the soldiers examined the corpses for signs of life. The few survivors were forced to sing Serbian songs, and were then shot. Once the final victim had been killed, an excavator was driven in to shunt the bodies out of the shed; the asphalt outside was then hosed down with water. In September 1996, however, it was still possible to find the evidence.[122]
Analyses of hair, blood and explosives residue collected at the Kravica Warehouse provide strong evidence of the killings. Experts determined the presence of bullet strikes, explosives residue, bullets and shell cases, as well as human blood, bones and tissue adhering to the walls and floors of the building. Forensic evidence presented by the ICTY Prosecutor established a link between the executions in Kravica and the 'primary' mass grave known as Glogova 2, in which the remains of 139 people were found. In the 'secondary' grave known as Zeleni Jadar 5 there were 145 bodies, a number of which were charred. Pieces of brick and window frame which were found in the Glogova 1 grave that was opened later also established a link with Kravica. Here, the remains of 191 victims were found.[122]”

I wonder what psychologists call pathological hatred of Muslims and moronic declarations that “Islam is terrorism”?

why couldn't Muhammed inherit the Kab'ba

As you see, there is no argument whatsoever,
You know nothing of the subject, and are ranting, copy and paste from some other religion.

Yasureoktoo said:

why couldn't Muhammed inherit the Kab'ba

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“ A large group of the prisoners who had been held overnight in Bratunac were bussed in a convoy of 30 vehicles to the Grbavci school in Orahovac early in the morning of 14 July 1995. When they got there, the school gym was already half-filled with prisoners who had been arriving since the early morning hours and within a few hours, the building was completely full. Survivors estimated that there were 2,000 to 2,500 men there, some of them very young and some quite elderly, although the ICTY Prosecution suggested this may have been an over-estimation and that the number of prisoners at this site was probably closer to 1,000. Some prisoners were taken outside and killed. At some point, a witness recalled, General Mladić arrived and told the men: "Well, your government does not want you and I have to take care of you."[124]
After being held in the gym for several hours, the men were led out in small groups to the execution fields that afternoon. Each prisoner was blindfolded and given a drink of water as he left the gym. The prisoners were then taken in trucks to the execution fields less than one kilometre away. The men were lined up and shot in the back; those who survived the initial shooting were killed with an extra shot. Two adjacent meadows were used; once one was full of bodies, the executioners moved to the other. While the executions were in progress, the survivors said, earth-moving equipment was digging the graves. A witness who survived the shootings by pretending to be dead, reported that General Mladić drove up in a red car and watched some of the executions.[124]
The forensic evidence supports crucial aspects of the survivors' testimony. Both aerial photos show that the ground in Orahovac was disturbed between 5 and 27 July 1995 and again between 7 and 27 September 1995. Two primary mass graves were uncovered in the area and were named Lazete 1 and Lazete 2 by investigators.[124]
The Lazete 1 gravesite was exhumed by the ICTY Prosecution between 13 July and 3 August 2000. All of the 130 individuals uncovered, for whom sex could be determined, were male; 138 blindfolds were uncovered in the grave. Identification material for 23 persons, listed as missing following the fall of Srebrenica, was located during the exhumations at this site. The gravesite Lazete 2 was partly exhumed by a joint team from the Office of the Prosecutor and Physicians for Human Rights between August and September 1996 and completed in 2000. All of the 243 victims associated with Lazete 2 were male and the experts determined that the vast majority died of gunshot injuries. In addition, 147 blindfolds were located.[124]
Forensic analysis of soil/pollen samples, blindfolds, ligatures, shell cases and aerial images of creation/disturbance dates, further revealed that bodies from the Lazete 1 and 2 graves were removed and reburied at secondary graves named Hodžići Road 3, 4 and 5. Aerial images show that these secondary gravesites were created between 7 September and 2 October 1995 and all of them were exhumed in 1998.[124]”

No, that is not why.

Yasureoktoo said:

As you see, there is no argument whatsoever,
You know nothing of the subject, and are ranting, copy and paste from some other religion.

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As you can see, your pathological hatred produces only mass murder of innocent people.

Your claims that “Islam is terrorism” is utterly despicable

Yasureoktoo said:

No, that is not why.

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On 14 and 15 July 1995, another large group of prisoners numbering some 1,500 to 2,000 were taken from Bratunac to the school in Petkovići. The conditions under which these men were held at the Petkovići school were even worse than those in Grbavci. It was hot, overcrowded and there was no food or water. In the absence of anything else, some prisoners chose to drink their own urine. Every now and then, soldiers would enter the room and physically abuse prisoners, or would call them outside. A few of the prisoners contemplated an escape attempt, but others said it would be better to stay since the International Red Cross would be sure to monitor the situation and they could not all be killed.[125]
The men were called outside in small groups. They were ordered to strip to the waist and to remove their shoes, whereupon their hands were tied behind their backs. During the night of 14 July, the men were taken by truck to the dam at Petkovići. Those who arrived later could see immediately what was happening there. A large number of bodies were strewn on the ground, their hands tied behind their backs. Small groups of five to ten men were taken out of the trucks, lined up and shot. Some begged for water but their pleas were ignored.[125]

“Islam is terrorism”.

Tigerace117 said:

As you can see, your pathological hatred produces only mass murder of innocent people.

Your claims that “Islam is terrorism” is utterly despicable

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But you know absolutely nothing about the text of the religion.
How can you even make any claims either way.

Your answer is just plain madness.

Yasureoktoo said:

But you know absolutely nothing about the text of the religion.
How can you even make any claims either way.

Your answer is just plain madness.

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I’m sure that to raving bigots like yourself pointing out that innocent people are not “terrorists” is madness.

I know what happened the last time people like you were allowed any power whatsoever.

stevecanuck said:

Is that an extreme version, or is it simply Islam?

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Good question -- it is extreme, but unfortunately a large number of people fit into that designation. Pew did a study a few years back on how many Arabs in various Middle Eastern nations supported terrorism in its different forms. I don't remember the exact stats now -- they could be googled -- but a surprising number of Arabs supported terrorism of one form or another.

Piglet said:

Good question -- it is extreme, but unfortunately a large number of people fit into that designation. Pew did a study a few years back on how many Arabs in various Middle Eastern nations supported terrorism in its different forms. I don't remember the exact stats now -- they could be googled -- but a surprising number of Arabs supported terrorism of one form or another.

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Something that is really sad it the polls done in free country about regular tenants of Islam, that no rational person would support.
However the number of Muslims supporting these are alarming.

Yasureoktoo said:

Something that is really sad it the polls done in free country about regular tenants of Islam, that no rational person would support.
However the number of Muslims supporting these are alarming.

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Too many support terrorism, to be sure, but it's only because they've been raised not knowing another way of life. Education and better human rights would make a big difference. We do business with a company ran by Muslims -- not the extreme ones -- and they go out of their way to make sure their clients are happy. The wife doesn't wear traditional Muslim garb and their kids are just like any other American children.

The problem as I see it is that the more we push them (in their part of the world) the more the extreme ones are able to recruit followers.

But, look at Israel -- there are more than 1.5 million Arab Israelis who've lived there since the inception of the Jewish State, and they serve in the Knesset and their children play with Jewish children. They get along because no one is pushing them to hate Israel. But, on the other side of the fence in Gaza, the hatred is strong -- and because of that -- they're able to recruit followers who are willing to die while killing innocent people.

I don't know the answer -- I really don't. They didn't ask to be born in the Middle East anymore than I asked to be born here in the US.

Piglet said:

Too many support terrorism, to be sure, but it's only because they've been raised not knowing another way of life. Education and better human rights would make a big difference. We do business with a company ran by Muslims -- not the extreme ones -- and they go out of their way to make sure their clients are happy. The wife doesn't wear traditional Muslim garb and their kids are just like any other American children.

The problem as I see it is that the more we push them (in their part of the world) the more the extreme ones are able to recruit followers.

But, look at Israel -- there are more than 1.5 million Arab Israelis who've lived there since the inception of the Jewish State, and they serve in the Knesset and their children play with Jewish children. They get along because no one is pushing them to hate Israel. But, on the other side of the fence in Gaza, the hatred is strong -- and because of that -- they're able to recruit followers who are willing to die while killing innocent people.

I don't know the answer -- I really don't. They didn't ask to be born in the Middle East anymore than I asked to be born here in the US.

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I strongly agree with your answer.
Muslims are people, human beings who generally want what we all do in life, and it is not their fault they are born into a forced religion, an evil religion, and it is usually the only one they know.

When people ask me for my solution, I say education.
Make the religion public, tell the people what it is about.
Have a panel on live tv, with scholars from both sides laying their cards on the table.

I firmly believe most Muslims, if they learned about what the religion really says,
If they learned about what Muhammed really was, would leave it.

If enough revolt at one time, the apostacy laws would no longer apply.

Grand Mal said:

Leftists? You can't be serious. Iran is a conservative paradise. Anything remotely liberal is against the law. Gays are against the law. Women are kept in traditional roles. Laws come from scripture. Iran is where conservatives, if they're very good, go when they die. You'd be hard pressed to name a less liberal country. Iran is the last country on earth that a leftist could support.

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Wow. Thats such a dumb comment I am surprised that you wrote it. I dont agree with you often but I usually dont see that level of numbskullery. Just this once I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume your account was hacked by some unhinged resistance fighter and wish you luck in taking back control of your posts.