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    Re: Iran's Influence in Iraq. Leaked Documents Tell Fascinating Story.

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    Considering the cia is vastly know for doing such, having admitted doing such, and even proven such numerous times, and that the us has had a stated goal of doing such going back about 50 years, and you just demand proof, do you demand proof eveery day before you will believe the sun sets in the east, or is it just that you are so adamant on your positions that you will not objectively look at anything that opposes your position.
    I've interacted with you plenty on this board. I know your MO. It isn't pretty and is quite often anti-US.

    So if you believe that you can just regurgitate unverified disinformation, guess again. I'm here every day.


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    Re: Iran's Influence in Iraq. Leaked Documents Tell Fascinating Story.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    I've interacted with you plenty on this board. I know your MO. It isn't pretty and is quite often anti-US.

    So if you believe that you can just regurgitate unverified disinformation, guess again. I'm here every day.
    You already know iraq and shia islam have zero to gain in any plain of existence in any known universe while the united states has everything to gain as their entire goal was to eliminate iranian influence in the middle east. The protests are just following the same cia playbook used over and over since the 1950's, to a degree it is so absolutely predictable.

    Not a single one of those nations gained anything from us cia intervention, heck look at venezuela, or at syria, all attempts have lead to poverty or death, with citizens used as useful pawns for regime change or influence campaigns.

    Also not to sound mean, your near defense of everything us/ukraine etc literally to the extent you go makes you sound like a paid cia agent who was paid to go around boards and be as anti everything the us is against as possible.
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    Re: Iran's Influence in Iraq. Leaked Documents Tell Fascinating Story.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilroddy View Post
    Some historical context through which to view the Iraq nationalist rebellion and protests against both Iranian and American influence in Iraq.

    https://theintercept.com/2019/11/18/...invasion-iran/

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    Iraq has had historical opposition to iranian ties, but also much stronger opposition to american ties and other nations. Either way both saudi arabia and iran want control of iraq, iraq to them is like ukraine was to the soviet union, it is a buffer zone between two opposing ideologies, someone to be the roadblock as well as human shield.

    When saddam was in power, despite irans war with iraq, iran was scared of saddam falling, as was saudi arabia who was also in his crosshairs, the reason being iraq seperated the two opposing theocracies, and both sides knew a direct conflict would not happen with someone in the middle blocking.

    With saddam gone it is now the two sides fighting in secretive and underhanded ways for control of the buffer zone, since it is no longer neutral to either ideology each side wants the advantage of influencing iraq in the shia/sunni rift, and this conflict is not likely to end soon.
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    Re: Iran's Influence in Iraq. Leaked Documents Tell Fascinating Story.

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    Also not to sound mean, your near defense of everything us/ukraine etc literally to the extent you go makes you sound like a paid cia agent who was paid to go around boards and be as anti everything the us is against as possible.
    You don't sound mean. You sound dumb. I used to live in Ukraine (Kyiv/Lviv/Odesa/Balaklava) and have many friends and government/military contacts there.

    In the Bric-Brak thread, I don't hold back on what I actually consider to be valid complaints about the country or its government. I call em as I see em.

    But unlike you, I usually post a citation and then explain the germane point(s) to those readers that are not very familiar with the country.


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    Re: Iran's Influence in Iraq. Leaked Documents Tell Fascinating Story.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    You don't sound mean. You sound dumb. I used to live in Ukraine (Kyiv/Lviv/Odesa/Balaklava) and have many friends and government/military contacts there.

    In the Bric-Brak thread, I don't hold back on what I actually consider to be valid complaints about the country or its government. I call em as I see em.

    But unlike you, I usually post a citation and then explain the germane point(s) to those readers that are not very familiar with the country.
    So then explain, why would shia who have absolutely zero to gain protest against shia leadership and rule and have everything to lose yet somehow expect the side with every single thing to gain would not have anything to do with it, foia does not happen instantly, you can easily read prior cia coupes and riots directed by them for the purpose of destabilizing or overthrowing govts, but despite the constant track record you demand an exact example for this one case, this tells me you must be unable to examine patterns or are so adamant in your position that you refuse to.

    Fyi the opcw has been battling whistleblower reports about the opcw rigging results in douma in favor of the united states and it's allied forces, you seem to not bother to bring that up almost like you only favor middle eastern and eastern europe news that favors your point of view.
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    Re: Iran's Influence in Iraq. Leaked Documents Tell Fascinating Story.

    I've already wasted too much time with you.

    The thread reader can decide for themselves who is spewing anti-US disinformation here without providing any corroborative citations/links.


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