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    Re: Iran's Influence in Iraq. Leaked Documents Tell Fascinating Story.

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    Now the recent riots in shia areas against govt's reeks of us intervention, I figured this out weeks ago reading about protesters griping about iraq govt and oppression while admitting they were from libya and tunisia, what kind of organic revolt needs people bussed in from other nations?
    As usual from you, anti-US prattle with no citations offered to lend your accusations any credibility.

    The protests in Iraq are attributed to a regime composed of elites, regime corruption, and its subservience to foreign powers (the US and Iran).

    Why Iraq’s Protesters Are Still in the Streets | Foreign Policy

    Despite a promise of early elections, the government in Baghdad has yet to address demonstrators’ demands.


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    Re: Iran's Influence in Iraq. Leaked Documents Tell Fascinating Story.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    As usual from you, anti-US prattle with no citations offered to lend your accusations any credibility.

    The protests in Iraq are attributed to a regime composed of elites, regime corruption, and its subservience to foreign powers (the US and Iran).

    Why Iraq’s Protesters Are Still in the Streets | Foreign Policy

    Despite a promise of early elections, the government in Baghdad has yet to address demonstrators’ demands.
    But you fail to adress that many of those protestors are rioting in shia areas, and many are not shia or even residents of iraq, the same happened in lebanon, it followed the same trend as the uprising in syria where the syrian masses rising against assad were not even from syria but other nations in the middle east.


    You call it anti us prattle, but you are by trying to defend what is going on defending the worst human suffering since stalin, millions have died from the proxy and civil wars started by countries outside the middle east, maybe the middle east should handle democracy and freedom in their own way as the western way has yet to work over there but rather caused endless bloodshed.
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    Re: Iran's Influence in Iraq. Leaked Documents Tell Fascinating Story.

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    You call it anti us prattle, but you are by trying to defend what is going on defending the worst human suffering since stalin, millions have died from the proxy and civil wars started by countries outside the middle east, maybe the middle east should handle democracy and freedom in their own way as the western way has yet to work over there but rather caused endless bloodshed.
    I'm not defending anything. I'm pointing out that you are wrong. Still no citations that the riots in Iraq are due to US involvement.


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    Re: Iran's Influence in Iraq. Leaked Documents Tell Fascinating Story.

    Iraqi Parliament Accepts PM Adel Abdul-Mahdi Resignation, But Protesters Demand More

    12/1/19
    The resignation of Iraqi Prime Minister Adel Abdul-Mahdi is now official, following a session of Parliament on Sunday. Abdul-Mahdi and his government will stay on in a caretaker capacity until the parliament forms a new government. Laith Kubba, an adviser to the outgoing prime minister, told NPR's Weekend Edition Sunday that Abdul-Mahdi's resignation should have happened sooner. "I think he got signals from many circles, international and local, to stay on, and that he can contain the situation," Kubba said. "I think they grossly underestimated the rage that was out there, and they misread basically what it was all about." Protesters have been demanding jobs and an end to corruption; they have also been decrying what they see as Iran's growing influence over Iraq's internal affairs. Prior to Abdul-Mahdi's resignation, his government attempted to satisfy some of the protesters' demands with a package of reforms to provide jobs and improve services, as well as a bill that would reform the electoral system. Samya Kullab, Iraq correspondent for the Associated Press, told NPR's All Things Considered last week that many protesters rejected the reforms — and are instead "looking to dismantle the entire political establishment." The demonstrations express a deep dissatisfaction with the political system set up after the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003. The invasion led to sectarianism, and the rise of a ruling class that protesters say reap material rewards while the rest of the country struggles economically.

    "The system that was built and the powers that took over that system have led the country to a dead end," Kubba told NPR on Sunday. "The country can not continue with that system and with this political class. So the question now is how to map out a transition that will be least costly to the country, bearing in mind Iraq is in the midst of a region full of turbulence and violence." As Reuters has reported, Abdul-Mahdi said in a televised cabinet meeting on Saturday that the next step in the transition after his resignation would be for President Barham Salih to name a new premier for Parliament to approve. But the powerful populist cleric Moqtada al-Sadr said Friday on Twitter that he believes a popular referendum should be held to choose the next prime minister, and the people should vote from among five proposed candidates. Sadr encouraged the protesters to continue making demands, but to reject violence. Speaking with NPR's Weekend Edition, Kubba warned that if Iraq's elites simply put forward a candidate for prime minister, they will not succeed in stabilizing the country. "I think we need to focus on a transition where a council of dignitaries play an intermediary role to win the confidence [of the Iraqi people]," Kubba said.
    I see no hint above that the US is involved beyond Iraqi's now being dissatisfied with the Iraq Constitution that was authored and enacted while the US was the occupying power.

    From the above, internal elitism, sectarianism, corruption, and Iran's pervasive influences within Iraq are the main raisons d'être for the current combustible situation.


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    Re: Iran's Influence in Iraq. Leaked Documents Tell Fascinating Story.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    I'm not defending anything. I'm pointing out that you are wrong. Still no citations that the riots in Iraq are due to US involvement.
    Well there are no citations as of yet no one has proven it either way, it just follows the exact patterns of the other events proven as well as captured rioters in lebanon and iraq not being from either country. Given direct us involvement in arab spring, as well as rebellions in libya and syria, given that this is a shia uprising against shia rule makes no sense at all, why would shia riot against shia rule? There is no sane logic to back this up, and no shia controlled region or their allies or their citizens have a single thing to gain from such, but the united states israel and saudi araia have everything to gain.
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    Re: Iran's Influence in Iraq. Leaked Documents Tell Fascinating Story.

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    Well there are no citations as of yet no one has proven it either way,
    I provided a germane article in Post #14.

    You? Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Bupkus.

    I'll let the readers figure out who is full of anti-US hot air here.


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    Re: Iran's Influence in Iraq. Leaked Documents Tell Fascinating Story.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    I provided a germane article in Post #14.

    You? Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Bupkus.

    I'll let the readers figure out who is full of anti-US hot air here.
    I know the iraqi pm resigned, however demanding articles on the us being behind it is absurd as the us will deny it endlessly until the foia makes it public, if you actually read foia articles the us govt has not only been active near nonstop in backing and starting riots and protests, but even terrorists.


    You are demanding proof that what has happened a thousand times before must be proven 1001 times because the previous 1000 times were not pattern enough to recognize bs.
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    Re: Iran's Influence in Iraq. Leaked Documents Tell Fascinating Story.

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    I know the iraqi pm resigned, however demanding articles on the us being behind it is absurd as the us will deny it endlessly until the foia makes it public, if you actually read foia articles the us govt has not only been active near nonstop in backing and starting riots and protests, but even terrorists. You are demanding proof that what has happened a thousand times before must be proven 1001 times because the previous 1000 times were not pattern enough to recognize bs.
    Yes. I damn well demand some proofs before I even consider your smear job here on the United States.

    I'm sick of you conspiricists expecting people to simply accept your lies and deceits.


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    Re: Iran's Influence in Iraq. Leaked Documents Tell Fascinating Story.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Yes. I damn well demand some proofs before I even consider your smear job here on the United States.

    I'm sick of you conspiricists expecting people to simply accept your lies and deceits.
    Considering the cia is vastly know for doing such, having admitted doing such, and even proven such numerous times, and that the us has had a stated goal of doing such going back about 50 years, and you just demand proof, do you demand proof eveery day before you will believe the sun sets in the east, or is it just that you are so adamant on your positions that you will not objectively look at anything that opposes your position.

    The iraq and lebanon protests reek of foreign interference specifically from the us saudi arabia and israel. Iran has protests going on too however theirs look more authentic, however it is highly likely foreign govts there are pouring fuel into the fire even if they did not start it.
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    Re: Iran's Influence in Iraq. Leaked Documents Tell Fascinating Story.

    Some historical context through which to view the Iraq nationalist rebellion and protests against both Iranian and American influence in Iraq.

    https://theintercept.com/2019/11/18/...invasion-iran/

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