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    What America’s Allies Really Think About Trump’s Syria Decision

    What America’s Allies Really Think About Trump’s Syria Decision

    During a few wild weeks in October, U.S. allies watched as their own worst nightmare befell America’s Kurdish partners in Syria. Here’s what that means for America’s standing in the world.



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    There was a time when the withdrawal of roughly 50 American Special Forces from a couple of outposts in a remote part of Syria wouldn’t have generated a wave of angst across the world about the United States unceremoniously dumping its allies and terminating the international system it has led for more than 70 years. That time is decidedly not now. When I recently asked a European official about the fate of the Syrian Kurds, who, after that U.S. retreat in October, came under Turkish assault, the official referenced President Donald Trump’s contention that the fighting had “nothing to do with” the United States. In just over a week, the violence left hundreds of Kurdish fighters and civilians dead; more than 100,000 people displaced; the near defeat of the Islamic State in jeopardy; and Turkey, Russia, and the Iranian-backed Syrian government carving up territory vacated by the Kurds and the Americans. “What does that mean for our confidence that in a time of crisis or challenge we will have the backing of our American allies?” Another official with a U.S.-allied government described Trump’s “green light to Turkey to invade Kurdish territory” as a “kind of betrayal.” “Allies and partners worry that decreasing U.S. leadership and influence around the world might spark regional conflicts” as America’s competitors gain “more power and influence” and “fill the vacuum created by U.S. ignorance and isolationism,” the official told me.

    Simply put: An American ally today cannot feel entirely assured that the U.S. cavalry will ride to its rescue. This disquiet, which is having real-world consequences as I write, is unlikely to dissipate when the Trump presidency ends. Trump’s decision after an October 6 phone call with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan—to hastily pull U.S. troops from northeastern Syria and leave the Kurds, the principal fighters against ISIS, to face a Turkish military incursion—was not just another controversial foreign-policy move by a perennially controversial president. We may look back on this time as the period in which the bottom fell out of America’s global standing, sending the United States and the rest of the world hurtling downward with no clear sense of where they will all land. “The abrupt decision to withdraw [U.S. troops] and green-light the Turkish operation in northeast Syria was a betrayal of one of our best partners in the global war on terrorists,” a senior administration official told The Atlantic in late October. “It disrupted our ‘Defeat ISIS’ fight and hurt our reputation as a reliable partner worldwide.” The dizzying developments in Syria represent “a decisive moment for the United States in terms of its relationships in general and at the same time being a superpower in the world. Power always brings authority, and authority comes with responsibility,” the senior Afghan official told me. The United States “cannot be a great nation and fully isolated and secluded and inward-looking and thinking that whatever happens in the rest of the world has nothing to do with them,” the Afghan official continued. “In this time in the course of human history, that’s not an option.”
    Trumps betrayal of an ally will engender both short-term and long-term consequences for US stature/reliability around the world.


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    Re: What America’s Allies Really Think About Trump’s Syria Decision

    I suggest those "allies" put their own blood and treasure on the line if they think some kind of outside intervention is needed...instead of expecting the US to foot the bill.
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    Trump has formed an alliance between the U.S. and Erdogan, not as a NATO partner. There's an expression in Turkey, (this comes from a resident if Istanbul) "please start a war so we can figure out who our friends are." Western attitudes toward Muslims don’t help pull Turkey into the Western sphere. Many Americans tend to think that all people see the world through American eyes. This speaks to me as our racist attitudes toward ordinary Muslims. This is what differentiates Turkey from its NATO allies.

    Turkey has been in negotiations for entering the EU since 2005 but since 2016 those negotiations have stalled for many reasons, one of which is that Turkey will not acknowledge the systematic massacres of Armenians in 1915 as genocide. The EU has accused and criticized Turkey for human rights violations and in fact has been moving further away from the EU. I believe one of the larger factors for Turkey being denied inclusion to the EU is because they have a large population that is almost entirely Muslim. Their inclusion would have been the second largest influence in the EU, 75 million Muslims, second only to Germany. The Christian EU was never going to allow that, regardless of their stated reasons.










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    Re: What America’s Allies Really Think About Trump’s Syria Decision

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    What America’s Allies Really Think About Trump’s Syria Decision

    During a few wild weeks in October, U.S. allies watched as their own worst nightmare befell America’s Kurdish partners in Syria. Here’s what that means for America’s standing in the world.





    Trumps betrayal of an ally will engender both short-term and long-term consequences for US stature/reliability around the world.
    No it wont.

    The EU needs to step up, if it's concerned.

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    Re: What America’s Allies Really Think About Trump’s Syria Decision

    Nobody will care 6 months from now.

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    Re: What America’s Allies Really Think About Trump’s Syria Decision

    American and Kurdish goals aligned so we became allies.

    We didn't adopt them. They are not our child.

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    Re: What America’s Allies Really Think About Trump’s Syria Decision

    The OP is literal foreign-influence peddling.
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    Re: What America’s Allies Really Think About Trump’s Syria Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by HumblePi View Post
    Trump has formed an alliance between the U.S. and Erdogan, not as a NATO partner. There's an expression in Turkey, (this comes from a resident if Istanbul) "please start a war so we can figure out who our friends are." Western attitudes toward Muslims don’t help pull Turkey into the Western sphere. Many Americans tend to think that all people see the world through American eyes. This speaks to me as our racist attitudes toward ordinary Muslims. This is what differentiates Turkey from its NATO allies.

    Turkey has been in negotiations for entering the EU since 2005 but since 2016 those negotiations have stalled for many reasons, one of which is that Turkey will not acknowledge the systematic massacres of Armenians in 1915 as genocide. The EU has accused and criticized Turkey for human rights violations and in fact has been moving further away from the EU. I believe one of the larger factors for Turkey being denied inclusion to the EU is because they have a large population that is almost entirely Muslim. Their inclusion would have been the second largest influence in the EU, 75 million Muslims, second only to Germany. The Christian EU was never going to allow that, regardless of their stated reasons.
    Trump has two towers in Ankara with the Trump name on them. Ergo, he can't piss off Erdowan.

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