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    Is ISIS really Islamic

    It seems we get a lot of input from groups that claim ISIS is not Islamic, just terrorist.

    The leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi Education has multiple college degrees in Islamic and Koranic studies. They are a bachelor’s degree from the University of Baghdad in 1996 and a Master’s in 1999 and PhD in 2007 from Iraq’s Saddam University.

    This would indicate he knows something about Islam.
    The place he died in was littered with Islamic quotes.

    While we will get conflicting rants from people who know nothing about the religion, and from Muslims who are hiding the intents, ( Taquyyia),
    it seems we can draw no conclusion.

    There are over 200 terror groups operating at any given time, and we only hear about the big ones, and they all have a surprising similarity.
    They quote the religion as their source of action.

    We also have the cold hard reality, that anyone who actually studies the religion, independent of each other, all come up with the same conclusion.

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    Re: Is ISIS really Islamic

    Much word salad, no citations.


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    Re: Is ISIS really Islamic

    Quote Originally Posted by Yasureoktoo View Post
    It seems we get a lot of input from groups that claim ISIS is not Islamic, just terrorist.

    The leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi Education has multiple college degrees in Islamic and Koranic studies. They are a bachelor’s degree from the University of Baghdad in 1996 and a Master’s in 1999 and PhD in 2007 from Iraq’s Saddam University.

    This would indicate he knows something about Islam.
    The place he died in was littered with Islamic quotes.

    While we will get conflicting rants from people who know nothing about the religion, and from Muslims who are hiding the intents, ( Taquyyia),
    it seems we can draw no conclusion.

    There are over 200 terror groups operating at any given time, and we only hear about the big ones, and they all have a surprising similarity.
    They quote the religion as their source of action.

    We also have the cold hard reality, that anyone who actually studies the religion, independent of each other, all come up with the same conclusion.
    Anyone who claims that ISIS are not true Muslims will have to answer whether or not they believe the rulers and people of Saudi Arabia are true Muslims as well, since both are broadly Sunni Fundamentalists and practice the same forms of harsh fundamentalism. And if indeed anyone here believes Sunni Fundamentalists (Whether ISIS Salafists or Saudi Arabian Wahhabis) are not "true" Muslims, who exactly are "true" Muslims and how is "true" Islam defined?
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    Re: Is ISIS really Islamic

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    Anyone who claims that ISIS are not true Muslims will have to answer whether or not they believe the rulers and people of Saudi Arabia are true Muslims as well, since both are broadly Sunni Fundamentalists and practice the same forms of harsh fundamentalism.
    It’s always amazing how white liberals understand other people’s cultures better then they do?
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    Re: Is ISIS really Islamic

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    Anyone who claims that ISIS are not true Muslims will have to answer whether or not they believe the rulers and people of Saudi Arabia are true Muslims as well, since both are broadly Sunni Fundamentalists and practice the same forms of harsh fundamentalism. And if indeed anyone here believes Sunni Fundamentalists (Whether ISIS Salafists or Saudi Arabian Wahhabis) are not "true" Muslims, who exactly are "true" Muslims and how is "true" Islam defined?
    Ironically ISIS started out as Sunni, but when they invoked Muhammeds orders to destroy the idols, and vowed to destroy Mecca, the House of Saud got pissed and excommunicated them.
    They still claim Sunni,
    All sects claim they are the "true Muslims". something common in all religions, however Islam orders the "Bad Muslims" to be killed.
    Who are the "Bad muslims" you ask,
    Easy answer...The other ones.

    Also Sunni Islam has no central ruler, unlike Shia of Iran, so there are lots of sects that claim Sunni, but that does not stop them from killing each other.
    Last edited by Yasureoktoo; 11-02-19 at 12:55 PM.

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    Re: Is ISIS really Islamic

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    It’s always amazing how white liberals understand other people’s cultures better then they do?
    I don't think it is an understanding of the culture, so much as the religion.
    The religion is documented, and anyone can read it.
    However, most chose not to.

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    Re: Is ISIS really Islamic

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    Anyone who claims that ISIS are not true Muslims will have to answer whether or not they believe the rulers and people of Saudi Arabia are true Muslims as well, since both are broadly Sunni Fundamentalists and practice the same forms of harsh fundamentalism. And if indeed anyone here believes Sunni Fundamentalists (Whether ISIS Salafists or Saudi Arabian Wahhabis) are not "true" Muslims, who exactly are "true" Muslims and how is "true" Islam defined?
    Neither Muslims nor non-Muslims can "identify" what "true" Islam consists of. The same conundrum holds true of Christianity.


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    Re: Is ISIS really Islamic

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Neither Muslims nor non-Muslims can "identify" what "true" Islam consists of. The same conundrum holds true of Christianity.
    So we have to revert back to the original writings.

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    Re: Is ISIS really Islamic

    Quote Originally Posted by Yasureoktoo View Post
    So we have to revert back to the original writings.
    You are not an Islamic scholar.

    When you receive your degree in Islamic studies - preferably from Al-Azhar University in Cairo - get back to us.


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    Re: Is ISIS really Islamic

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    You are not an Islamic scholar.

    When you receive your degree in Islamic studies - preferably from Al-Azhar University in Cairo - get back to us.
    LOLOLOL

    You don't have to be an Islamic scholar to read their books.

    and BTW, If you get your degree from there, you are already trained in Taquyyia and Kitman, so only a fool would believe you anyways.

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