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Is ISIS really Islamic

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stevecanuck said:
^^^ Huge cop out.
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Well lookie here, we've had another Muslim bigot infest this thread.

I'm shocked! Not really. They're drawn like a fly to a dung heap.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Well lookie here, we've had another Muslim bigot infest this thread.

I'm shocked! Not really. They're drawn like a fly to a dung heap.
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Seems to me you are the bigot here.

BTW, this thread is not about Muslims, it is about islam.
Big difference.
Muslims are victim also.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Lol. Because I don't condemn all Muslims?

Take it back to Stormfront.
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Why would a person condemn Muslims, they are victims also.

Granted, many Muslims have already joined the Jihad, estimates of 15 to 25 percent, but most have not.
 
stevecanuck said:
You're right. Condemning all Muslims as being ardent Islamists would be bigoted. That's why nobody here does that.
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You best share that revelation with your bud Yasureoktoo. He was bad-mouthing all of Islam. The religion.
 
Rogue Valley said:
You best share that revelation with your bud Yasureoktoo. He was bad-mouthing all of Islam. The religion.
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Correct. His problem is with Islam the religion, which is not to say all Muslims. That's a distinction that all you charter members of the don't-blame-Islam club pretend not to understand. If you didn't hold to that pretense, 90% of your "arguments" would evaporate.
 
stevecanuck said:
Correct. His problem is with Islam the religion, which is not to say all Muslims. That's a distinction that all you charter members of the don't-blame-Islam club pretend not to understand. If you didn't hold to that pretense, 90% of your "arguments" would evaporate.
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Logic according to Steve:

I don't hate you. I just hate everything you believe, hold dear, and consider to be at the core of the meaning of life. But not you...

Question: Do you actually read what you write before hitting Reply?
 
Yasureoktoo said:
Why would a person condemn Muslims, they are victims also.

Granted, many Muslims have already joined the Jihad, estimates of 15 to 25 percent, but most have not.
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15 to 25 percent of Muslims have joined Jihad?

There are 1.9 Billion Muslims.

At the high end of your estimate is 475,000.

Are you sure??
 
OlNate said:
Logic according to Steve:

I don't hate you. I just hate everything you believe, hold dear, and consider to be at the core of the meaning of life. But not you...

Question: Do you actually read what you write before hitting Reply?
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Another pretend reply. Not all Muslims hold that **** dear. But those that do believe you and I are the worst of God's creatures, and yes, to those I say FU. Why don't you?

8:55 "The worst of moving (living) creatures before Allah are those who disbelieve".

Do you feel the love yet?
 
stevecanuck said:
Another pretend reply. Not all Muslims hold that **** dear. But those that do believe you and I are the worst of God's creatures, and yes, to those I say FU. Why don't you?

8:55 "The worst of moving (living) creatures before Allah are those who disbelieve".

Do you feel the love yet?
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Because I'm not obsessed with what ancient texts said about ancient people. Also, because I know that's pretty much normal in most major religions. There's nothing unique here. Why are the Muslims your main target? Why not go off on Christianity and Judaism? There's plenty of highly problematic material in those texts... Yes, this is whataboutism, but it speaks to your motive, which, trust me, no one is confused about.

Of course, we've been on this merry-go-round any number of times. Your mission appears to be a never ending smear campaign against the Muslim faith. It's become spam on this forum at this point. Just say that you hate Muslims and get on with your life. You need a new hobby.
 
Fledermaus said:
15 to 25 percent of Muslims have joined Jihad?

There are 1.9 Billion Muslims.

At the high end of your estimate is 475,000.

Are you sure??
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As I said, and probably should have elaborated.

There are estimated from all directions, a simple google search will bring numbers up to 60%.
while we cannot believe all the numbers, we can go by some information.

We also have the people in the shadows, who don't participate themselves, but go with the flow, and agree with the actions.
Keep in mind, the actions of the Jhadists are sanctioned in the Qur'an and sunnah.

Here is an interesting short clip.

bridget gabriel tells off woman - Bing video
 
OlNate said:
Because I'm not obsessed with what ancient texts said about ancient people. Also, because I know that's pretty much normal in most major religions. There's nothing unique here. Why are the Muslims your main target? Why not go off on Christianity and Judaism? There's plenty of highly problematic material in those texts... Yes, this is whataboutism, but it speaks to your motive, which, trust me, no one is confused about.

Of course, we've been on this merry-go-round any number of times. Your mission appears to be a never ending smear campaign against the Muslim faith. It's become spam on this forum at this point. Just say that you hate Muslims and get on with your life. You need a new hobby.
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I have noticed a bigoted slant to your comments, blindly defending Islam, with nothing to offer other than personal attacks.
The text of the religion, with orders to kill, convert, or enslave all non muslims, is pretty harsh.
The most important parts to brainwashing is repetition and isolation, Islam promotes both.
You pray 5 times a day, and are not supposed to associate with non-muslims.

Naturally not all muslims follow these teachings, But under the circumstances you will get a higher percentage who actually do.
The written documentation of the religion is pure evil. Not a few pages as in Judism, but volumes of writings.

and Nobody hates Muslims here, but that is a typical excuse.
Muslims are victim also.
The people, including myself ,hate Islam.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
As I said, and probably should have elaborated.

There are estimated from all directions, a simple google search will bring numbers up to 60%.
while we cannot believe all the numbers, we can go by some information.

We also have the people in the shadows, who don't participate themselves, but go with the flow, and agree with the actions.
Keep in mind, the actions of the Jhadists are sanctioned in the Qur'an and sunnah.

Here is an interesting short clip.

bridget gabriel tells off woman - Bing video
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All of what you wrote had little to do with what I asked.

And 60% is far more than 25%....
 
Fledermaus said:
All of what you wrote had little to do with what I asked.

And 60% is far more than 25%....
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Might want to re-read the comment.
I don't think I can offer any more without looking up every study ever taken, which I have no intention of doing.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
I have noticed a bigoted slant to your comments, blindly defending Islam, with nothing to offer other than personal attacks.
The text of the religion, with orders to kill, convert, or enslave all non muslims, is pretty harsh.
The most important parts to brainwashing is repetition and isolation, Islam promotes both.
You pray 5 times a day, and are not supposed to associate with non-muslims.

Naturally not all muslims follow these teachings, But under the circumstances you will get a higher percentage who actually do.
The written documentation of the religion is pure evil. Not a few pages as in Judism, but volumes of writings.

and Nobody hates Muslims here, but that is a typical excuse.
Muslims are victim also.
The people, including myself ,hate Islam.
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And I notice you're 139 posts into this site, and have no context of the back and forth between Steve and I. Also, I notice, you are in no position to chastise anyone for bigotry. Run along now.
 
OlNate said:
Because I'm not obsessed with what ancient texts said about ancient people.
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Cop out.

The Qur'an defines Islam, and it guides the lives of the truly faithful. Suicide bombers have their picture taken holding up the Qur'an for a reason.

Also, because I know that's pretty much normal in most major religions. There's nothing unique here.
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There is nothing normal about a book that says, "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Why are the Muslims your main target? Why not go off on Christianity and Judaism? There's plenty of highly problematic material in those texts... Yes, this is whataboutism, but it speaks to your motive, which, trust me, no one is confused about.
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Islam is my target, not individual Muslims.

The other two do not have dozens of blood-thirsty groups of killers terrorizing people around the world.

The other two do not have support from a significant portion of their coreligionists.

The other two don't have schools that preach hatred of unbelievers.

The other two do not have religious texts that come anywhere near verses such as 9:29

The other two do not have a founding role model who raped, robbed, murdered, and invaded.

See, that's what answering direct questions looks like.

Of course, we've been on this merry-go-round any number of times. Your mission appears to be a never ending smear campaign against the Muslim faith.
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Give me just one example of a smear. Is quoting the Qur'an a smear?

It's become spam on this forum at this point. Just say that you hate Muslims and get on with your life. You need a new hobby.
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And finish with the big lie.

Let's go back to 8:55. What affect do you think it's going to have on impressionable kids to be told that people who do not share their faith are the "lowest of God's creatures"?

You clearly do not have the integrity to answer that directly, so I look forward to your next lie-laced deflection.
 
OlNate said:
And I notice you're 139 posts into this site, and have no context of the back and forth between Steve and I. Also, I notice, you are in no position to chastise anyone for bigotry. Run along now.
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Actually I am,
I admitted to being bigoted to certain groups. The KKK, the Nazi party, Islam. Etc.

The big difference is that I admit it. and provide reason for it.
 
stevecanuck said:
Cop out.

The Qur'an defines Islam, and it guides the lives of the truly faithful. Suicide bombers have their picture taken holding up the Qur'an for a reason.



There is nothing normal about a book that says, "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.



Islam is my target, not individual Muslims.

The other two do not have dozens of blood-thirsty groups of killers terrorizing people around the world.

The other two do not have support from a significant portion of their coreligionists.

The other two don't have schools that preach hatred of unbelievers.

The other two do not have religious texts that come anywhere near verses such as 9:29

The other two do not have a founding role model who raped, robbed, murdered, and invaded.

See, that's what answering direct questions looks like.



Give me just one example of a smear. Is quoting the Qur'an a smear?



And finish with the big lie.

Let's go back to 8:55. What affect do you think it's going to have on impressionable kids to be told that people who do not share their faith are the "lowest of God's creatures"?

You clearly do not have the integrity to answer that directly, so I look forward to your next lie-laced deflection.
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:lamo

Alright, Steve, in your own words, since you ducked this question the last time I asked, how do YOU define a "good" Muslim?
 
Yasureoktoo said:
Actually I am,
I admitted to being bigoted to certain groups. The KKK, the Nazi party, Islam. Etc.

The big difference is that I admit it. and provide reason for it.
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Cool, you're telling me you're a bigot. Good for you. :shrug:
 
OlNate said:
:lamo

Alright, Steve, in your own words, since you ducked this question the last time I asked, how do YOU define a "good" Muslim?
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I'll help Steve here.

"Good Muslims", are very evil people.

Good Muslims follow the teachings of Muhammed, and the closer they follow, the better they are.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
I'll help Steve here.

"Good Muslims", are very evil people.

Good Muslims follow the teachings of Muhammed, and the closer they follow, the better they are.
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That's how Steve would define a good Muslim? Very evil? That's a confusing message...maybe you'd better let him talk for himself.
 
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