Is ISIS really Islamic

LadyMoonlight said:

Islam is.....everything Mohammad said and everything Mohammad did. He did invent Islam after all, ............................~

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Alone this sentence makes reading any further completely superfluous.

Where one may agree from a certain vantage point that Muhammad invented the whole thing in the manner that all religions were invented at some time or other by someone or other, if you knew anything about the Islamic faith at all you'd also know that one of its core belief tenets consists of it always having been. Like since the beginning of time.

You know nothing and pompously spouting garbage from the top of the hill of ignorance doesn't serve to hide that.

Yasureoktoo said:

How would white Christians be in a class of people who study Islam.

I don't know any Christians who studied Islam.

People I know, like myself are mostly atheist.

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Yasureoktoo:

While I am baptised Christian and am rather agnostic, I did study Islamic History and Islamic Philosophy including religious philosophy as an undergraduate. So we do exist.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

The ISIL interpretation of Islam is not at all representative of the beliefs and creeds of the vast majority of Muslims around the world or even in the Middle East/Levant. ISIL-style Islamist militantism is a minisculely small outlier of the corpus of belief and behaviours which most Muslims believe and follow. ISIL membership at its height of strength was less than 0.0001% of the total global Muslim population. ISIL-style views and creeds are no more common or important to all of Islam than those of Opus Dei are common or important to all of Christianity. These are hardcore fundamentalists groups and do not reflect the beliefs of the vast majority of their faiths at all.

The problem with this thread is the words "really" in the title and "true" in the text of this thread. The militant religious beliefs of ISIL are not supported by any significant segment of Islam's total following and are as Haram and obscene to most Muslims as they are to non-Muslims. So while ISIL-style Islamist militantism may be a subset of the corpus of all Islamic religious philosophy, it is neither "true", nor "really" representative of the state of all of Islam in the 21st Century CE.

Several of the posters here certainly seem to have an agenda designed to demonise all of Islam by attacking the Koran and by delivering the most fundamentalist and cherry-picked case for arguing that there is an inherent danger which the whole religion poses to other faiths or to secularism. Such an interpretation is like condemning all Christianity as inherently violent and dangerous based on the warped and dangerous creeds of radical Christian sects which use violence and terror to oppose abortion in America. It is ingenuous and deceptive.

Islamic and Islamist fundamentalists and those who become fundamentalist militants are the source of the problem, not the Koran, the Faith and the people who have been born into it or who have chosen to follow this faith.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

stevecanuck said:

As soon as I saw you were simply going to keep the schtick going, I stopped reading. Bye. I see no need to attempt conversing with you again.

This is where you claim victory. Go right ahead.

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Oh, Steve. This isn't where I claim victory. I knew I had you beat a long time ago. This is where you realize it, and admit it to everyone else.

Chagos said:

Oh Lawd, please no.

The difference to Ground Hog Day lies in at least there (in that film) having been attempts to break the loop and eventually succeeding.

Here we have the needle stuck in the old vinyl, demonstrating a never-ending and never-changing obsession.

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Meh...looks like I found the off button. We'll see how our wounded friend feels about it today.

Chagos said:

Alone this sentence makes reading any further completely superfluous.

Where one may agree from a certain vantage point that Muhammad invented the whole thing in the manner that all religions were invented at some time or other by someone or other, if you knew anything about the Islamic faith at all you'd also know that one of its core belief tenets consists of it always having been. Like since the beginning of time.

You know nothing and pompously spouting garbage from the top of the hill of ignorance doesn't serve to hide that.

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There is a lot of guesswork in this
what we do know is the 5 pillars were from the previous rock god religion.

In it's core beliefs the Arabic language existed before man, and Allah taught it to a Adam.
Adam, Noah, Moses, Joseph, Jesus, etc. were all Muslims in a time when Muslims did not yet exist.
There are no Arab sources for this, only what was plagiarized, and fabricated, from Judio/Christian text

Then we have Muhammed. We don't know if he existed at all.
We have a possible, but not probable, sighting 60 years after the fact, by a Christian source.
Other than that we have Ishaq, 125 years after the fact.
Most scholars agree he is a composite character, and someone must have existed to make the model.
Then we have conflicting stories in the early documentation, and
the religion packaged and sold, 300 years after the fact.