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    Dread in northern Syria as U.S. troops withdraw and cease-fire ends

    Dread in northern Syria as U.S. troops withdraw and cease-fire ends


    Children in Ras al-Ayn, Syria, watch as Kurdish troops, overseen by Russian military police, retreat from their homeland.

    10/29/19
    DERIK, Syria — As the final hours of a cease-fire in northeastern Syria wound down on Tuesday, dread descended on a region once shielded by the United States. In towns and cities, families debated, and sometimes fought, over whether, and where, to run. Selling their houses to pay for the help of unpredictable smugglers was one option. Moving closer to the Iraqi border, where thousands of refugees had already crossed, and then praying the violence wouldn’t follow, was another. “How do you decide what to do? Do we wait, do we leave?” asked a young student, Marwa, in the Syrian border town of Derik. “There are no good options. None.” The end of the 150-hour cease-fire brokered by Russia threatened to reignite fighting that erupted after President Trump decided earlier this month to withdraw U.S. troops from the area and leave their Kurdish allies to fend for themselves in the face of a Turkish military offensive. “The men feel strong, the women and children are scared, and no one knows what is coming,” said Jawan, 34, standing in Derik’s clothing bazaar, holding his 9-month-old daughter. “This is bigger than us, really. America was meant to protect us, but that’s done now. So I guess we’ll just wait.” Shortly before the cease-fire expired on Tuesday evening, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that a “full implementation” of the Russian-Turkish deal — which called for the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces to retreat from the border area — had been achieved. The Russian Defense Ministry, citing Major Gen. Yuri Borenkov, a senior military official working in Syria, said that 68 Kurdish units numbering 34,000 fighters had pulled back 19 miles from the border by Tuesday.

    U.S. Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper said Monday that the U.S. forces were being repositioned to secure oil fields in eastern Syria and make sure the Islamic State could not gain access to them. This redeployment was a pivot from Trump’s earlier statement that U.S. troops were being sent home. The shift in mission sowed confusion among the largely Kurdish forces and civilians. “So they are leaving us for oil?” asked one man in a clinic Monday, speaking on the condition of anonymity because he said he now feared for his security if he spoke to American journalists. “We heard for years that all America cared about was oil, but we didn’t believe it, and we thought the Americans were our friends. Now what do we have left?” After Trump announced his decision to withdraw U.S. troops, clearing the way for Turkey’s military campaign, hundreds of fighters and civilians have been killed. About 200,000 people have fled their homes, according to the United Nations. Trump’s decision to pull U.S. troops away from the region has set the stage for a major shift in power here, with Russians ascendant and the Syrian Kurds turning to Assad’s forces for protection from Turkey.
    I hope that someday the Kurds can possess their own country, and not be colonial-nomads in the region they have inhabited for over 2,500 years. A pox on Turkey and the house of Erdogan.


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    Re: Dread in northern Syria as U.S. troops withdraw and cease-fire ends

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Dread in northern Syria as U.S. troops withdraw and cease-fire ends


    Children in Ras al-Ayn, Syria, watch as Kurdish troops, overseen by Russian military police, retreat from their homeland.



    I hope that someday the Kurds can possess their own country, and not be colonial-nomads in the region they have inhabited for over 2,500 years. A pox on Turkey and the house of Erdogan.
    A pox on Trump, IMO.
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    Re: Dread in northern Syria as U.S. troops withdraw and cease-fire ends

    How long were we supposed to take care of them?

    Weren't we there to defeat ISIS?

    They allied with us and somehow now they are now our adopted children?

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    Re: Dread in northern Syria as U.S. troops withdraw and cease-fire ends

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Dread in northern Syria as U.S. troops withdraw and cease-fire ends


    Children in Ras al-Ayn, Syria, watch as Kurdish troops, overseen by Russian military police, retreat from their homeland.



    I hope that someday the Kurds can possess their own country, and not be colonial-nomads in the region they have inhabited for over 2,500 years. A pox on Turkey and the house of Erdogan.
    I don't know if that would ever be possible. We're talking about large areas of several countries which would have to be relinquished; some of which are rich in resources.

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    Re: Dread in northern Syria as U.S. troops withdraw and cease-fire ends

    Quote Originally Posted by swing_voter View Post
    How long were we supposed to take care of them?
    You would have to ask Former US Special Envoy to Syria Brett McGurk and former CENTCOM Commander General William Votel who told the Syrian leadership we would protect them if they would join the SDF the Pentagon was forming.

    Five years and 10,000 dead fighting ISIS for the US. I'd say the Kurds did their part.



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    Re: Dread in northern Syria as U.S. troops withdraw and cease-fire ends

    Quote Originally Posted by ElChupacabra View Post
    I don't know if that would ever be possible. We're talking about large areas of several countries which would have to be relinquished; some of which are rich in resources.
    I know. Colonial Britain and France really screwed these people.


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    Re: Dread in northern Syria as U.S. troops withdraw and cease-fire ends

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    I know. Colonial Britain and France really screwed these people.
    It's what you get when foreigners draw arbitrary borders. I think autonomous regions might be the best solution.

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    Re: Dread in northern Syria as U.S. troops withdraw and cease-fire ends

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Dread in northern Syria as U.S. troops withdraw and cease-fire ends


    Children in Ras al-Ayn, Syria, watch as Kurdish troops, overseen by Russian military police, retreat from their homeland.


    I hope that someday the Kurds can possess their own country, and not be colonial-nomads in the region they have inhabited for over 2,500 years. A pox on Turkey and the house of Erdogan.
    At this point I feel like that's the only viable solution. The Kurds have endured more than enough persecution for decades.
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    Re: Dread in northern Syria as U.S. troops withdraw and cease-fire ends

    Hell, we're trashing all our allies.

    Five bucks says that the UK, Spain, France, etc aren't sharing intelligence reports with us or are holding back tons of intel that they would normally share. And that's what you get when you elect an idiot.

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    Re: Dread in northern Syria as U.S. troops withdraw and cease-fire ends

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Dread in northern Syria as U.S. troops withdraw and cease-fire ends


    Children in Ras al-Ayn, Syria, watch as Kurdish troops, overseen by Russian military police, retreat from their homeland.



    I hope that someday the Kurds can possess their own country, and not be colonial-nomads in the region they have inhabited for over 2,500 years. A pox on Turkey and the house of Erdogan.
    I hope that you get disappointed with your hope. You hope for Kurds their own country, give them part of yours.

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