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    Article: What did the Kurds ever do for the US?

    If Mr Trump is to be taken at his word, alliances - whether it be with the Kurds or even within Nato - are for him simply transactional business arrangements to be judged according to a short-term cost-benefit analysis: what is the US giving and what is it getting in return?
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    1. In 1972, partly armed by Washington and urged on by the then Shah of Iran, Iraqi Kurds defied the government in Baghdad
    2. US President George HW Bush called on the Kurds in Iraq to rise up against Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq.
    3. the US sought to find elements on the ground who could mount a serious challenge to the fighters of IS. Washington's decision to support the Kurds with training and equipment reaped dividends. They proved both reliable and capable and the dismantling of the IS caliphate in Syria owes much to their efforts.


    This is the third betrayal of the Kurds by the US, is this one the most serious though? How many more times would they return to the US cause?
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    Re: Article: What did the Kurds ever do for the US?

    Even though they're all Kurds, I read the Iraq Kurds are a separate faction and don't support the Syrian Kurds and don't want them flooding into Iraq as refugees. The Iraq Kurds even have economic ties with Turkey which is telling whose side they're on.
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    Re: Article: What did the Kurds ever do for the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    1. In 1972, partly armed by Washington and urged on by the then Shah of Iran, Iraqi Kurds defied the government in Baghdad
    2. US President George HW Bush called on the Kurds in Iraq to rise up against Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq.
    3. the US sought to find elements on the ground who could mount a serious challenge to the fighters of IS. Washington's decision to support the Kurds with training and equipment reaped dividends. They proved both reliable and capable and the dismantling of the IS caliphate in Syria owes much to their efforts.


    This is the third betrayal of the Kurds by the US, is this one the most serious though? How many more times would they return to the US cause?
    Well since you like the Kurds so much, why doesnt the UK send a few regiments over there?

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    Re: Article: What did the Kurds ever do for the US?

    The usual derailment by non-sequitur presented in the form of irrelevant blather.
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    Re: Article: What did the Kurds ever do for the US?

    More senile pouting due to loneliness it seems.

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    Re: Article: What did the Kurds ever do for the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Even though they're all Kurds, I read the Iraq Kurds are a separate faction and don't support the Syrian Kurds and don't want them flooding into Iraq as refugees. The Iraq Kurds even have economic ties with Turkey which is telling whose side they're on.
    Well, Turkey certainly isn't on the side of the Iraqui Peshmerga (anymore).

    Turkey initially supplied training to them (pursuing its own interests in the fight against IS) but withdrew any support in 2017 when the Peshmerga led an independence (from Baghdad) vote.

    As to the relation between the Syrian and the Iraqi Kurds, Peshmerga stated in March this year that they would support Syrian YPG with material aid (finances, arms, medical help) in case the latter were attacked by Turkey.

    But not with fighters.

    We'll have to see what now becomes of that.

    Incidentally that would be a repeat of the Kobane battle of 2015 where Peshmerga even supplied heavily armed fighters to relieve the city perilously beleaguered by IS.
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    Re: Article: What did the Kurds ever do for the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    1. In 1972, partly armed by Washington and urged on by the then Shah of Iran, Iraqi Kurds defied the government in Baghdad
    2. US President George HW Bush called on the Kurds in Iraq to rise up against Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq.
    3. the US sought to find elements on the ground who could mount a serious challenge to the fighters of IS. Washington's decision to support the Kurds with training and equipment reaped dividends. They proved both reliable and capable and the dismantling of the IS caliphate in Syria owes much to their efforts.


    This is the third betrayal of the Kurds by the US, is this one the most serious though? How many more times would they return to the US cause?
    The Kurds best self-identify with their motto "no friends but the mountains". Whether they're Iraqi, Syrian or Iranian.

    IOW being betrayed by one-time allies is nothing new to them and has never prevented them from renewing alliances that previously went sour. In this they've always been practical but it's also the cause for general distrust in them in that region.

    Everybody knows (and the Kurds don't make it a secret either) that their ultimate goal is to carve out an independent Kurdistan and everybody is united in refusing to let them have it. Ultimately by shafting them the minute they've outlived their usefulness in any current alliance and these goals are quite mutual (IOW work the other way around just as well).

    In their long history the recent betrayal by the US is seen (by them) as just an episode.
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    Re: Article: What did the Kurds ever do for the US?

    the orange man:

    " they did not fight with the US and its allies in World War Two"

    now I really get afraid... we even fought against them! ;o)

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    Re: Article: What did the Kurds ever do for the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by german hick View Post
    the orange man:

    " they did not fight with the US and its allies in World War Two"


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    Re: Article: What did the Kurds ever do for the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Well since you like the Kurds so much, why doesnt the UK send a few regiments over there?
    We've had plenty UK volunteers fighting alongside the Kurds. The thread discussion is about US betrayal - try and stay on topic please.
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