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    Re: Erdogan says Turkey to launch 'air and ground' operation in Syria

    The Kurds say the Turks have already begun air raids. This is not confirmed. The US has so far only pulled back ~150 troops.

    So far, it looks like Trump did not confer with anyone on his pullback order - Congress, State, the Pentagon, nor US Central Command Combatant Commander Gen. Joseph Votel.


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    Re: Erdogan says Turkey to launch 'air and ground' operation in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    The Kurds say the Turks have already begun air raids. This is not confirmed. The US has so far only pulled back ~150 troops.

    So far, it looks like Trump did not confer with anyone on his pullback order - Congress, State, the Pentagon, or US Central Command Combatant Commander Gen. Joseph Votel.
    Does anyone support this?


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    Re: Erdogan says Turkey to launch 'air and ground' operation in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by CJ 2.0 View Post
    Does anyone support this?
    No one in Congress besides Sen. Rand Paul. No one in the Pentagon.

    You can't trust the State Department of Pompeo to be upfront about anything.


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    Re: Erdogan says Turkey to launch 'air and ground' operation in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    No one in Congress besides Sen. Rand Paul. No one in the Pentagon.

    You can't trust the State Department of Pompeo to be upfront about anything.
    And what of Americans generally?

    This seems like something that has unified the political spectrum against Trump. Not sure anything has done that before.

    How could this possibly be a good idea?

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    Re: Erdogan says Turkey to launch 'air and ground' operation in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by CJ 2.0 View Post
    And what of Americans generally?

    This seems like something that has unified the political spectrum against Trump. Not sure anything has done that before.

    How could this possibly be a good idea?
    No one that I associate with supports betrayal. No one in the military that I know.

    The slaughter falls squarely on Donald Trump and Recep Tayyip Edogan.


    "I earned my spurs on the battlefield ... Donald Trump earned his spurs in a letter from a doctor." Gen. James Mattis, former Secretary of Defense who resigned in December 2018 due to Trumps plans to betray the Kurds of Syria.

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    Re: Erdogan says Turkey to launch 'air and ground' operation in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by CJ 2.0 View Post
    And what of Americans generally?

    This seems like something that has unified the political spectrum against Trump. Not sure anything has done that before.

    How could this possibly be a good idea?
    CJ 2.0:

    Honestly I don't think most Americans really care about the Kurds of Syria much. It's just too abstract and too far away to be an issue for them. Betrayal by US policy makers of allies is far too common in American diplomatic history. The Marsh Arabs of Iraq, the Mujahidin of Afganistan and the Montagnards of Vietnam come quickly to mind from the last half century.

    Yes, it and the Ukraine Investigation situation have galvanised the ire of the political class in America but that's not Mr. Trump's power base, so it really does not matter as long as he keeps the Republican-controlled Senate on board. Sure the Republican senators are mad at Trump's craven behaviour with regards to the would-be-pasha of Turkey, but if they stop supporting them then they trash their best chance of holding onto power between now and 2021. So what are they going to do, considering the Republicans have put so many of their political eggs in Mr. Trump's basket?

    It's not a good idea, but it may be seen by war-weary American voters and idol worshipping Trump supporters as the least of several evils. The deaths of thousands or tens of thousands of Kurds really means very little to most Americans. Sort of like Turkomen or Rohingya don't really matter.

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    Re: Erdogan says Turkey to launch 'air and ground' operation in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilroddy View Post
    The deaths of thousands or tens of thousands of Kurds really means very little to most Americans. Sort of like Turkomen or Rohingya don't really matter.
    I have to take issue with this. The problem is not that Americans are cold-hearted, but they are poorly informed.

    The US media will attribute the rows of bodies to Erdogan and his Turkish military, and probably not even mention (or explain) Donald Trumps complicity.

    Networks don't want to be accused of bias in the run-up to the 2020 election.


    "I earned my spurs on the battlefield ... Donald Trump earned his spurs in a letter from a doctor." Gen. James Mattis, former Secretary of Defense who resigned in December 2018 due to Trumps plans to betray the Kurds of Syria.

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    Re: Erdogan says Turkey to launch 'air and ground' operation in Syria

    How many American troops left Syria? How many American troops there are in Syria?
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    Re: Erdogan says Turkey to launch 'air and ground' operation in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Stand by for another dishonorable betrayal of the Kurds.
    Indeed. It's, now ok for Turkey to bomb our main US/UK allies (The Kurds) in the ME fighting ISIS because Trump says its ok?

    Pity on you Trump.... Beyond pathetic (funnily enough it helps Putin and Assad!!)

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    Re: Erdogan says Turkey to launch 'air and ground' operation in Syria

    'Heavy Clashes' Reported On Second Day Of Turkey's Syria Offensive


    Smoke billows from targets inside Syria during bombardment by Turkish forces on October 9.

    10/10/19
    Turkish ground forces have pressed their advance on the second day of their offensive against Kurdish-led forces controlling Syrian territory along the border with Turkey. President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on October 10 rejected international criticism of the military operation east of the Euphrates River, reiterating that the offensive was aimed at "eliminating terror" along Turkey's borders. Erdogan also said that Turkish armed forces "neutralized" a total of 109 "terrorists" so far, referring to Kurdish militias. Turkey-allied Syrian opposition fighters have "cleared " the border villages of Yabisa and Tel Fander, Turkish state media reported. And the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said Turkish commandos entered the village of Beir Asheq. Turkish armed forces earlier said they had struck 181 targets with air strikes and howitzers since the start of the operation.

    Meanwhile, the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) reported "heavy clashes" in border villages. The SDF said they held off an incursion attempt near the border town of Ras al-Ain and repulsed a ground assault on Tal Abyad. The Syrian Kurdish-led authorities also accused Turkey of shelling a prison in Qamishli holding Islamic State (IS) militants, calling it "a clear attempt" to help them escape.
    Operation Kurd Genocide has begun.


    "I earned my spurs on the battlefield ... Donald Trump earned his spurs in a letter from a doctor." Gen. James Mattis, former Secretary of Defense who resigned in December 2018 due to Trumps plans to betray the Kurds of Syria.

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