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It's War!!

nitroexpress said:
Perhaps they will. The game continues.

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nitroexpress:

This is no game, sir. War is dreadful and certainly is not a form of entertainment. It is a tragedy on a grand scale which ends and harms human lives and ruins the lives of those lucky enough to survive the carnage. War is monstrous and evil.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Evilroddy said:
nitroexpress:

This is no game, sir. War is dreadful and certainly is not a form of entertainment. It is a tragedy on a grand scale which ends and harms human lives and ruins the lives of those lucky enough to survive the carnage. War is monstrous and evil.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Well, Mr. Evil seems you're not familiar with the Burning Man festival huh?
 
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Casper said:
Maybe Saudi Arabia should fight their own wars .
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They won't they lost so much us military gear just fighting the houthis that they are making us gear look like the worst gear on earth simply by saudis own shear incompetence, if all the military equipment money can buy still makes them lose to barefoot rebels it says ksa is pretty screwed to the point they would probably lose to a war against canadians who not not even fight back and just say we mean you no harm eh!

The ksa relies heavily on us protection as their military is mercenaries but in even greater number literal slaves, who have their passports taken and are sent to the frontlines to fight for rich arabs too scared to fight their own battles.
 
Apocalypse said:
If the US is arming Syrian rebels fighting against Assad it is taking part in the battle to throw him out, yes.

Iran is arming terrorists who attack Western and Sunni targets because they want terrorists to attack Western and Sunni targets.
Sometimes it directs them itself using the revolutionary guard corps.
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Isn't your own country known as a state sponsor of terror for backing the mek and pakistani sunni terrorists who oppose shia islam? You should probably not be backing your own nation who is a state sponsor of terror or backing the us as righteous even though the us has been the only nation ever convicted in international court as being a state sponsor of terror while trying to call another nation a sponsor of terror.
 
nitroexpress said:
Iran backs and supplies the Houthi rebels. It's pretty clear that Iran planned and directed the Houthi's to attack Saudi. What was Iran thinking? Do we bomb Iran in the morning, evening and all week long? Probably just send in the cruise missiles. What would McCain do?

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Iran barely supplies houthis, if you nhave not pieced it together for iran to ship missiles and other crap to yemen sneaking past all other nations is a monumental task, sure sneaking some small arms and hand held anti tank or anti aircraft missiles is much simpler, but things like cruise missiles and ballistic misiles is an epic task. Iran has mostly supplied them with tech, and the houthis are already known for making their own missiles. Their main missile used is not even a scud at all, but the sa-2 sam missile they had plenty of in stock modified to be a surface to surface missile.

They also have the copycat of the kh55 missile which iran likely gave them blueprints and instructions for, with a range of around 1500ish miles and easy to produce it is very easy to see yemen pulling such off.

Also good luck bombing iran, we already lost a high dollar drone thinking they could do nothing, and russia is already mocking the us patriot system suggesting the saudi's buy the s400 so they can have a missile defense system that actually works and detects threats.
 
Over under on this attack being Israel-based to ensure Bibi is re-elected?
 
Apocalypse said:
I don't think common sense can be attributed to any of your positions, but what "we" meant if you were sincerely asking is those of us who are observing the situation. I think it was pretty clear.
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I don't think you understand common sense- you seem very biased. Saudi Arabia has a long history of human rights violations (Israel is catching up- it is sad American Allies often turn into the bad actors we trill about when it suits our interests)

Saudi Arabia has waged a vicious war against the people of Yemen while everyone in the 'Christian' world turns a blind eye. Your 'WE' cherry picks what they 'observe' and ignores anything that goes counter to their stance... :roll:

Saudi Arabia is the epicenter of the warped version of Islam that fostered the attacks on 9/11. Brutally suppress their own people, neighboring people (Bahrain where we have a major military installation) and apparently can get away with murdering American citizens that criticize the 'Royal' family.

I think it's pretty clear- your 'WE' shills for a brutal regime and apparently sees mass starvation of people who refuse to kneel for a corrupt and degenerate 'royal' family as acceptable.... :doh

Since you observe so much when in the 20th century did something like this occur??? A religious group attacked and starved/murdered/herded like cattle to their deaths. I guess what was unacceptable for one group in the 20th century is acceptable to that same group in the 21st.... :peace
 
beerftw said:
Isn't your own country known as a state sponsor of terror for backing the mek and pakistani sunni terrorists who oppose shia islam? You should probably not be backing your own nation who is a state sponsor of terror or backing the us as righteous even though the us has been the only nation ever convicted in international court as being a state sponsor of terror while trying to call another nation a sponsor of terror.
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Propaganda nonsense that has no basis in reality, as usual.
 
notquiteright said:
I don't think you understand common sense- you seem very biased. Saudi Arabia has a long history of human rights violations (Israel is catching up- it is sad American Allies often turn into the bad actors we trill about when it suits our interests)

Saudi Arabia has waged a vicious war against the people of Yemen while everyone in the 'Christian' world turns a blind eye. Your 'WE' cherry picks what they 'observe' and ignores anything that goes counter to their stance... :roll:

Saudi Arabia is the epicenter of the warped version of Islam that fostered the attacks on 9/11. Brutally suppress their own people, neighboring people (Bahrain where we have a major military installation) and apparently can get away with murdering American citizens that criticize the 'Royal' family.

I think it's pretty clear- your 'WE' shills for a brutal regime and apparently sees mass starvation of people who refuse to kneel for a corrupt and degenerate 'royal' family as acceptable.... :doh

Since you observe so much when in the 20th century did something like this occur??? A religious group attacked and starved/murdered/herded like cattle to their deaths. I guess what was unacceptable for one group in the 20th century is acceptable to that same group in the 21st.... :peace
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I don't deny Saudi Arabia's human rights violations, I just really don't see what this has to do with my comment.
This is what I made clear to you earlier but it seems like you're too eager on spreading Iranian propaganda so you aren't even able to understand what is being said.

Israel and the US aren't the "bad actors" certainly not when the opposition is a theocratic dictatorship seeking to promote its evil all accross the planet, the kind of evil you approve of and adore obviously.
 
Apocalypse said:
I don't deny Saudi Arabia's human rights violations, I just really don't see what this has to do with my comment. This is what I made clear to you earlier but it seems like you're too eager on spreading Iranian propaganda so you aren't even able to understand what is being said. Israel and the US aren't the "bad actors" certainly not when the opposition is a theocratic dictatorship seeking to promote its evil all accross the planet, the kind of evil you approve of and adore obviously.
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Selective opposition to a theocratic dictatorship seeking to promote it's E-Vile across the planet- why do you deny the Saudi connection with 9/11??? Why do you deny the brutal suppression of one religious sect in other countries???

You 'observers' miss Saudis constant war against other people and other nations. Guess Israel has joined the USofA in embracing the murderous regimes they like and blaming others for the violence they in fact start and continue.

FYI I don't spread anyone's propaganda- I simply refuse to believe YOUR highly biased propaganda. Yemen has the right to attack those who attack her- just like Israel claims. Israel's constant West Bank seizures does not promote peace- people no matter how long the odds are will only take so much.

I don't see Israel or Saudi as being victims of Shia violence, more like provacators who incite violence and throw their hands up and declare- "See how they are, they are animals!"

All sides in the Middle East can eat Kibbles... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
Selective opposition to a theocratic dictatorship seeking to promote it's E-Vile across the planet- why do you deny the Saudi connection with 9/11??? Why do you deny the brutal suppression of one religious sect in other countries???

You 'observers' miss Saudis constant war against other people and other nations. Guess Israel has joined the USofA in embracing the murderous regimes they like and blaming others for the violence they in fact start and continue.

FYI I don't spread anyone's propaganda- I simply refuse to believe YOUR highly biased propaganda. Yemen has the right to attack those who attack her- just like Israel claims. Israel's constant West Bank seizures does not promote peace- people no matter how long the odds are will only take so much.

I don't see Israel or Saudi as being victims of Shia violence, more like provacators who incite violence and throw their hands up and declare- "See how they are, they are animals!"

All sides in the Middle East can eat Kibbles... :peace
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But the Houthis should never have attacked Saudi Arabia despite being bombed and killed by them. That is just not right, they can only fight back in Yemen, no where else. I mean the Saudis did not do anything wrong. So getting attacked was just wrong.
 
Apocalypse said:
Propaganda nonsense that has no basis in reality, as usual.
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You could have very easily googled it

Israel and state-sponsored terrorism - Wikipedia

They have already been debated for quite a long time for being on the state sponsor of terror list. Israel has all but admitted directly to assisting al quaeda as well, saying they view sunni terrorists as an enemy but view shia iran as a bigger enemy.
 
Fighting a proxy war has been the norm in the region since the Cold War. Trump showed great reluctance to get directly involved in the potential conflict and America may only provide Saudi Arabia with indirect support such as military intelligence, if there is a Saudi retaliatory strike against Iran. If your country is hit by cruise missiles, you need to retaliate.

 
beerftw said:
You could have very easily googled it

Israel and state-sponsored terrorism - Wikipedia

They have already been debated for quite a long time for being on the state sponsor of terror list. Israel has all but admitted directly to assisting al quaeda as well, saying they view sunni terrorists as an enemy but view shia iran as a bigger enemy.
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I'm quite familiar with all the propaganda nonsense which is why I called it so - and that's what it is.
Israel assisted Syrian rebels by granting them and Syrian civilians in general medical aid for years. That's not "assisting al-Qaeda". You're just repeating the same old nonsense that was debunked here a thousand times by now.
 
notquiteright said:
I don't see Israel or Saudi as being victims of Shia violence, more like provacators who incite violence and throw their hands up and declare- "See how they are, they are animals!"
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I don't find it relevant what you see or do not see.
If you choose to embrace evil that's entirely up to you.
 
nitroexpress said:
Iran backs and supplies the Houthi rebels. It's pretty clear that Iran planned and directed the Houthi's to attack Saudi. What was Iran thinking? Do we bomb Iran in the morning, evening and all week long? Probably just send in the cruise missiles. What would McCain do?

Bomb Iran
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Bomb Iran and set off another endless ME ****storm? Not a great idea. How about actually sitting down and talking to them? Too radical?
 
Evilroddy said:
The US Government now believes that the attacks of Saturday past were by both drones and cruise missiles and originated from Iraq rather than Yemen. There is no definitive claim by the US that Iran is behind these attacks although the US Government believes strongly that Iranian agency is involved at some level. So the whole Houthi-Iran argument is now very likely in the crapper. However Iraq does have powerful Shi'ite militias which have close ties to Iran, some functioning as Iranian proxies, so that is another dimension. Another possibility as that a non-state actor may be behind these and the previous pipeline attacks of May plus perhaps the attacks on tankers as well. These non-state actors could be working for any nation desiring to see a hot war between Iran and its allies versus Saudi Arabia and its allies.

So the declaration that "it's war" and the supposition that Iran is the bad guy behind these attacks may be either premature or even wrong. Remember the claims of WMD's being produced and stockpiled by Iraq to justify the 2003 Gulf War which post-invasion turned out to be a false casus bellum. Caution and prudence must guide all states as they try to figure out exactly what happened last Saturday in order to act responsibly.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Yes, we all know how US 'beliefs' turned out with Saddam and WMD...all lies, as usual; transparent propaganda engineered for public consumption and 'justification' for war. How quickly, and conveniently, people forget.
 
snakestretcher said:
Bomb Iran and set off another endless ME ****storm? Not a great idea. How about actually sitting down and talking to them? Too radical?
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They have made it clear that they don't want to talk. Saudi has the weapons to retaliate. Turn them loose. The US doesn't have to bear the burden of retaliating.
 
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