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ISIS Is a Survivor

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ISIS Is a Survivor

Donald Trump claims to have defeated the Islamic State—but the group was designed to prove him wrong.

8/27/19
Back in February, U.S. President Donald Trump declared that the Islamic State was “100 percent” defeated and took full credit for the alleged victory. Unfortunately, the president and the truth seemed to be on different planets once again. National Security Advisor John Bolton quickly corrected Trump’s boast, telling ABC News that “the ISIS threat will remain.” U.S. Defense Department reports emphasized that remnants or offshoots of the group remained active in several places, including Afghanistan, and last week, a lengthy New York Times article reported that the group was regaining strength in Iraq and Syria. Trump was obviously wrong to claim the Islamic State had been totally defeated, but its persistence and partial recovery are not surprising at all. On the contrary, to believe that such a group could be totally defeated in the short to medium term was never a realistic goal. Eliminating the Islamic State’s territorial control over a significant part of Iraq and Syria (much of it empty desert) was a feasible objective, and the United States and its local partners did that job pretty effectively. Eradicating the organization in its entirety was never in the cards, at least not anytime soon.like most revolutionary ideologies, the Islamic State’s worldview is designed to insulate the movement from potential failures and setbacks. Like Leninism, Maoism, Jacobinism, and other revolutionary ideas, Islamic State ideology acknowledges that its cadres are (presently) outnumbered, accepts that its opponents are more powerful for the moment, warns that temporary setbacks are possible, and tells its members that they must be prepared to make sacrifices in what may be a long struggle.

Furthermore, the Islamic State has yet to disappear because some of the conditions and grievances that fueled its emergence are still present. From the very beginning, virtually all jihadi movements derived some of their support on overt opposition to foreign (read: Western) interference in the Muslim world. This is as true of the Taliban as it is of al Qaeda and the Islamic State (although there are important differences between them as well). Guess what? Foreign powers are still interfering in the region, and Western leaders—including Trump—continue to say and do things that appear to confirm Islamic State propaganda about the West being “at war” with Islam. (The Islamic State itself is at war with just about everyone, of course, including the millions of Muslims it deems heretical.) As long as this level of foreign involvement persists, the Islamic State and its brethren will be able to win a few recruits. The Islamic State has been equally hostile to existing Arab and Muslim governments, and its leaders originally believed that proclaiming a caliphate would trigger a sympathetic uprising that would topple the so-called corrupt apostates now governing key Arab states. That result was never likely and didn’t happen, but the conduct of some prominent Arab governments hasn’t done much to discredit the Islamic State’s denunciations. Defending the behavior of Abdel Fattah al-Sisi’s regime in Egypt or Mohammed bin Salman’s in Saudi Arabia is not exactly an easy task these days, and you can bet that Islamic State stalwarts are quick to highlight the brutal and capricious nature of these governments and their intimate ties to the United States. Such arguments won’t turn the Islamic State into a revolutionary juggernaut (or even to allow it to regain its former position in Iraq and Syria), but they may provide just enough ideological oxygen to keep the movement alive.

A safe bet? ISIS will still be around long after Donald Trump has been defeated.
 
ISIS Is a Survivor

Donald Trump claims to have defeated the Islamic State—but the group was designed to prove him wrong.



A safe bet? ISIS will still be around long after Donald Trump has been defeated.

You mean after he leaves office.

I think ISIS or something else will always be circulating in the land that time forgot.

The question is whether the pending extinction of these non-evolving peoples will occur sooner, rather than later.
 
It literally should surprise no one that a big dumb idiot like Donald Trump couldn't handle a threat like ISIS. Especially after forcing away any advisor or expert on the matter. Anyone who voted for Trump because of his claims of defeating ISIS are stupid, and they should feel stupid.
 
ISIS Is a Survivor

Donald Trump claims to have defeated the Islamic State—but the group was designed to prove him wrong.



A safe bet? ISIS will still be around long after Donald Trump has been defeated.

What is Trump's exact statement because he could have meant defeated as a credible threat...
 
"We have defeated ISIS in Syria, my only reason for being there during the Trump Presidency." - He tweeted, on December 18, 2018, as he announced the withdrawal of US troops from Syria.

So the o p is a lie. Trump never said ISIS was 100% defeated. Trump said ISIS was defeated in Syria. Unless I'm missing something else... this is just another example of people lying about Trump in order to make him look bad because they are filled with hatred which is really miss placed
 
So the o p is a lie. Trump never said ISIS was 100% defeated. Trump said ISIS was defeated in Syria. Unless I'm missing something else... this is just another example of people lying about Trump in order to make him look bad because they are filled with hatred which is really miss placed

Trump is capable of making himself look bad. Oh, sorry I assumed you were looking for a simple statement of completeness, not necessarily one that includes a measure in parts per hundred. I would have given you that if I knew you were going to split hairs so badly. See If I'd said that "ISIS was defeated in Syria", because they went somewhere else, and then came back in Syria, I wouldn't be wrong. But if I say "ISIS was defeated in Syria", but really there was some ISIS left, and they have a resurgence, then I'm wrong. I guess that's just how logic and geography work together or something. I dunno, I'm not an expert.

"We're upholding our nation's solemn pledge to protect those who protect us -- and they've protected us brilliantly. With America's core interests guiding us as we do, we are making unprecedented strides. Our incredible American warriors have pulverized the bloodthirsty killers of ISIS. We defeated 100 percent of the caliphate in Syria."

"We're holding thousands of ISIS fighters right now -- prisoners. And we're going to give them to -- from where they came. The Europe- -- certain countries in Europe, they got to take them back because we don't want to hold them. Got to give them back. We're fighting for other people, and we got to give them back."

"They've got to take them. They'd rather have us hold them and let us have them for 50 years. We don't want them. We don't want them. They should take them. Do we agree? They should take them. They say to us, "Why don't you hold them in Guantanamo Bay for 50 years and you just hold them and spend billions and billions of dollars holding them?" And I'm saying, "No, you got to take them." We fought."

"We have them captured. They're all captured -- thousands. ISIS. But now Europe has to take them, and different countries, where they came from, have to take them. Do we agree with that? Yes? I was just curious as to what you thought. We withdrew from the horrible Iran nuclear deal. Horrible deal." - Trump speech at AMVETS 8/21/2019.



Let's see, does the military think ISIS is 100% defeated in Syria?

Well, they didn't at the end of June. From the Operation Inherent Resolve IG report 6/30/19:

"During the quarter, CJTF-OIR completed the partial withdrawal of U.S. forces from Syria.
According to CJTF-OIR, the reduction of U.S. forces has decreased the support available for Syrian
partner forces at a time when their forces need more training and equipping to respond to the ISIS
resurgence. CJTF-OIR also said that the drawdown could cause U.S.-backed forces in Syria to look
for “alternate partnerships and resources” to replace the reduced U.S. support, and that in its
assessment such an outcome could be “detrimental to the United States’ mission in Iraq
and Syria.”


Glenn A. Fine
Principal Deputy Inspector General
Performing the Duties of the Inspector General
U.S. Department of Defense
 
Trump is capable of making himself look bad. Oh, sorry I assumed you were looking for a simple statement of completeness, not necessarily one that includes a measure in parts per hundred. I would have given you that if I knew you were going to split hairs so badly. See If I'd said that "ISIS was defeated in Syria", because they went somewhere else, and then came back in Syria, I wouldn't be wrong. But if I say "ISIS was defeated in Syria", but really there was some ISIS left, and they have a resurgence, then I'm wrong. I guess that's just how logic and geography work together or something. I dunno, I'm not an expert.





Let's see, does the military think ISIS is 100% defeated in Syria?

Well, they didn't at the end of June. From the Operation Inherent Resolve IG report 6/30/19:


So you were wrong. It happens from time to time and there is no need to try to cover your tracks in such a manner. ISIS is not totally defeated. ISIS will remain a thorn in the side of everybody for a while full stop ISIS is an ideology and those things never die. But don't beat yourself up about it
 
So you were wrong. It happens from time to time and there is no need to try to cover your tracks in such a manner. ISIS is not totally defeated. ISIS will remain a thorn in the side of everybody for a while full stop ISIS is an ideology and those things never die. But don't beat yourself up about it

What was I wrong about?
 
ISIS Is a Survivor

Donald Trump claims to have defeated the Islamic State—but the group was designed to prove him wrong.



A safe bet? ISIS will still be around long after Donald Trump has been defeated.



The ISIS State is a State of Mind. That's why the "War on Terror" can never be won militarily. People are not just attracted to terrorism, they are pushed into it by their perception of outward hostility of nations towards a culture and as concocted by terrorist organization. Trump's open hostility towards Muslims has aided the ISIS and other terrorist State of Mind. Including the attraction side to do with right-wing terrorism as exhibited by right-wing terrorist acts on the rise in America and Trump's "fine people" quote to do with openly anti-Semitic neo-Nazis.
 
ISIS Is a Survivor

Donald Trump claims to have defeated the Islamic State—but the group was designed to prove him wrong.

A safe bet? ISIS will still be around long after Donald Trump has been defeated.

He referenced ISIS in Syria and the ISIS Caliphate. A bit different than what you're inferring.
 
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