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Thread: Quote of the day: "Don't cry a **** wolf."

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    Quote of the day: "Don't cry a **** wolf."

    There is a well-known folk story about a shepherd who has begged the people of his village several times claiming that a wolf attacks him and his sheep. But, when the wolf attacked, and the shepherd screams for help, no one came to his rescue. The Mainstream media practices revolve around that story. It is all about lies that people buy it then the story ends that no one believes them. At the beginning of the events in Syria, the Western media didn’t find it difficult to wash brain people with false accounts about the mass graves of Daraa or the crying of Hamza al-Khatib among much other Ponzo news barrages and propaganda.

    In Syria, the demonstrations were without leadership and have no idea how to take the next step toward a solid political movement. Also, they are motivated by social media. Anarchists protesters sabotage government buildings and offices while they expect law enforcement to sit idle. In Syria, demonstrators were prepaid, or people take part in them to entertain and spend time. During funerals, mourners swing the coffins in the air while laughing in a celebratory mode. The dead being resurrected before the camera turned off. Makeup studios which experts worked on fake wounds on the faces and bodies of alleged victims. Unknown snipers murdered many demonstrators.

    The Syrian revolution coordination groups(SRCG) functioning in different Syrian provinces before the armed conflict started carried out violent actions against innocent Syrian citizens, especially in cities such as Hama, Homs and the rural areas of Damascus, to force them to participate in revolutionary coordination activities, demonstrations and strikes, against their will and will. SRCG murdered civilians under the pretext of loyalty to the national state. In some cases, victims were thrown from the roof of buildings or the windows of their homes. In the city of ​​Aleppo, Free Syrian Army(FSA), a supposedly moderate opposition group, threw government postal workers from the roof of the building. A Syrian citizen was thrown out from the window of his apartment on the accusation of being an agent of the Syrian government.

    Armed groups operating under the name of Free Syrian Army recruited children for military combat, and some of them participated in the beheading of Syrian citizens and soldiers, one of whom was a pilot whose plane fell in the opposition-controlled area. Armed gangs in Syria used anti-aircraft weapons and tanks, yet they failed to control the capital Damascus or the city of Aleppo. The populace kept their loyalty to the government. The Syrian armed opposition was defeated, and it was on the verge of total collapse. The foreign jihadist was introduced, and the holy jihad was declared. The leaders of the Syrian armed opposition claimed that they had liberated 80% of Syria. Yet, the were leading battles from five-star hotels, especially in Turkey, some of whom preferred Paris while others scattered in London hotels where the images of their extravagant life never fit in with the model of austere militants who were seeking to overthrow a regime they accuse of corruption and suppress freedoms.

    Mainstream media didn't even flinch on the massacre that Syrian armed opposition committed in the villages located in the city of Latakia countryside, innocent civilians slaughtered with knives and women and children were kidnapped. The FSA boasted without shame their murders on social media such as Facebook and Twitter. Al-Farouq gangs in Homs led by the criminal Abdul Razzaq Tlass attacked the government hospital, slaughtered the doctors and nurses. A war crime in every sense of the word, but Mainstream media and human rights organizations ignored it all. CNN reports from the city of Homs reflect a positive image for Al-Faruq gangs, calling them "freedom fighters." Also, CNN was involved with a Palestinian-Syrian born activist, Khaled Abu Salah, in sabotaging the oil refinery pipes in the city of Homs to falsely accuse the Syrian army. The scandal was exposed after a leaked tape of the rehearsal exposed the whole false story.

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    Re: Quote of the day: "Don't cry a **** wolf."

    Quote Originally Posted by stan1990 View Post
    There is a well-known folk story about a shepherd who has begged the people of his village several times claiming that a wolf attacks him and his sheep. But, when the wolf attacked, and the shepherd screams for help, no one came to his rescue. The Mainstream media practices revolve around that story. It is all about lies that people buy it then the story ends that no one believes them. At the beginning of the events in Syria, the Western media didn’t find it difficult to wash brain people with false accounts about the mass graves of Daraa or the crying of Hamza al-Khatib among much other Ponzo news barrages and propaganda...

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    I voted "No." But it had nothing to do with your OP rationale.

    I chose "No" because I do not support the idea that it is our (USA) business to police the world.

    IMO people are responsible for their own actions, and by extension, the actions of their own society. That it is up to the people themselves to work things out, solve their own problems.

    That we in the USA suffer from the hubris of ideological superiority, thinking we know what's best for everyone else. This despite all evidence that our good intentions only serve to make us a target when we seek to interfere.

    I prefer allowing our society to set an example for others to follow, rather than allowing others to stampede us into reckless interference.

    So IMO Syrians need to clean their own house, and we need to let them have at it until they figure out what is best for themselves.

    1. I do not believe The United States is morally responsible for taking "some action" outside of our own national borders. We don't have the right nor duty to act as the "World's Policeman." I support humanitarian aid; and use of political influence to keep other nations out of foreign internal struggles.

    2. Each nation is responsible for its own internal politics, no one should interfere. The people of each society must work things out on their own for there to be any chance of long-term stability. External interference typically serves to undermine the legitimacy of whichever factions wins, creating an unstable political environment ripe for further trouble.

    3. It does not matter the form of political ideology that ends up in control without outside influence or interference. If it has a negative effect on the society it governs, history has shown that as long as examples of other more positive options exist outside that State, it will either collapse on it's own or it's people will eventually overthrow and replace it.
    https://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs...ce-myself.html

    That is not "isolationism" as some (usually people who aren't expecting to place themselves in danger while urging others to act) have claimed, but rather a willingness to let others figure things out for themselves while providing one example of how it can be done. We can still provide humanitarian aid, offer neutral arbitration, even asylum if it comes to that. But not armed interference unless we are attacked ourselves.
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    Re: Quote of the day: "Don't cry a **** wolf."

    Quote Originally Posted by stan1990 View Post
    There is a well-known folk story about a shepherd who has begged the people of his village several times claiming that a wolf attacks him and his sheep. But, when the wolf attacked, and the shepherd screams for help, no one came to his rescue. The Mainstream media practices revolve around that story. It is all about lies that people buy it then the story ends that no one believes them. At the beginning of the events in Syria, the Western media didn’t find it difficult to wash brain people with false accounts about the mass graves of Daraa or the crying of Hamza al-Khatib among much other Ponzo news barrages and propaganda.

    In Syria, the demonstrations were without leadership and have no idea how to take the next step toward a solid political movement. Also, they are motivated by social media. Anarchists protesters sabotage government buildings and offices while they expect law enforcement to sit idle. In Syria, demonstrators were prepaid, or people take part in them to entertain and spend time. During funerals, mourners swing the coffins in the air while laughing in a celebratory mode. The dead being resurrected before the camera turned off. Makeup studios which experts worked on fake wounds on the faces and bodies of alleged victims. Unknown snipers murdered many demonstrators.

    The Syrian revolution coordination groups(SRCG) functioning in different Syrian provinces before the armed conflict started carried out violent actions against innocent Syrian citizens, especially in cities such as Hama, Homs and the rural areas of Damascus, to force them to participate in revolutionary coordination activities, demonstrations and strikes, against their will and will. SRCG murdered civilians under the pretext of loyalty to the national state. In some cases, victims were thrown from the roof of buildings or the windows of their homes. In the city of ​​Aleppo, Free Syrian Army(FSA), a supposedly moderate opposition group, threw government postal workers from the roof of the building. A Syrian citizen was thrown out from the window of his apartment on the accusation of being an agent of the Syrian government.

    Armed groups operating under the name of Free Syrian Army recruited children for military combat, and some of them participated in the beheading of Syrian citizens and soldiers, one of whom was a pilot whose plane fell in the opposition-controlled area. Armed gangs in Syria used anti-aircraft weapons and tanks, yet they failed to control the capital Damascus or the city of Aleppo. The populace kept their loyalty to the government. The Syrian armed opposition was defeated, and it was on the verge of total collapse. The foreign jihadist was introduced, and the holy jihad was declared. The leaders of the Syrian armed opposition claimed that they had liberated 80% of Syria. Yet, the were leading battles from five-star hotels, especially in Turkey, some of whom preferred Paris while others scattered in London hotels where the images of their extravagant life never fit in with the model of austere militants who were seeking to overthrow a regime they accuse of corruption and suppress freedoms.

    Mainstream media didn't even flinch on the massacre that Syrian armed opposition committed in the villages located in the city of Latakia countryside, innocent civilians slaughtered with knives and women and children were kidnapped. The FSA boasted without shame their murders on social media such as Facebook and Twitter. Al-Farouq gangs in Homs led by the criminal Abdul Razzaq Tlass attacked the government hospital, slaughtered the doctors and nurses. A war crime in every sense of the word, but Mainstream media and human rights organizations ignored it all. CNN reports from the city of Homs reflect a positive image for Al-Faruq gangs, calling them "freedom fighters." Also, CNN was involved with a Palestinian-Syrian born activist, Khaled Abu Salah, in sabotaging the oil refinery pipes in the city of Homs to falsely accuse the Syrian army. The scandal was exposed after a leaked tape of the rehearsal exposed the whole false story.

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    Re: Quote of the day: "Don't cry a **** wolf."

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    Is or is not ISIS regaining a foothold once we left?
    Before he tosses out yet another untruth, the Pentagon has already answered that question.....

    A scathing new Pentagon report blames Trump for the return of ISIS in Syria and Iraq


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    Re: Quote of the day: "Don't cry a **** wolf."

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Before he tosses out yet another untruth, the Pentagon has already answered that question.....

    A scathing new Pentagon report blames Trump for the return of ISIS in Syria and Iraq
    Interesting how Syria and Russia can't seem to squash the last vestiges of ISIS.
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    Re: Quote of the day: "Don't cry a **** wolf."

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    Interesting how Syria and Russia can't seem to squash the last vestiges of ISIS.
    Neither can Turkey.

    It's amazing how tens of thousands of radical Islamist's from all over the globe were able to transit Erdogan's Turkey unmolested to join ISIS in Syria.


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    Re: Quote of the day: "Don't cry a **** wolf."

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I voted "No." But it had nothing to do with your OP rationale.

    I chose "No" because I do not support the idea that it is our (USA) business to police the world.

    IMO people are responsible for their own actions, and by extension, the actions of their own society. That it is up to the people themselves to work things out, solve their own problems.

    That we in the USA suffer from the hubris of ideological superiority, thinking we know what's best for everyone else. This despite all evidence that our good intentions only serve to make us a target when we seek to interfere.

    I prefer allowing our society to set an example for others to follow, rather than allowing others to stampede us into reckless interference.

    So IMO Syrians need to clean their own house, and we need to let them have at it until they figure out what is best for themselves.

    https://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs...ce-myself.html

    That is not "isolationism" as some (usually people who aren't expecting to place themselves in danger while urging others to act) have claimed, but rather a willingness to let others figure things out for themselves while providing one example of how it can be done. We can still provide humanitarian aid, offer neutral arbitration, even asylum if it comes to that. But not armed interference unless we are attacked ourselves.
    Thanks a lot for your comment.

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    Re: Quote of the day: "Don't cry a **** wolf."

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    Is or is not ISIS regaining a foothold once we left?
    Isis only had any room to grow because the overthrow of the libyan govt and syria losing control of much of their territory, had intervention from the west not happened no isis would have existed, as they would not have had a leg to stand on or a power vacuum to grow on.

    What troubles me now is israel, I defend their right to defend themselves against hamas and other groups, but their recent airstrikes have been targetting the iranian backed militias who are in many areas the only ones fighting isis, and even did so in iraq right as they were starting a new phase of missions to wipe out the remainders of al quaeda and isis.
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    Re: Quote of the day: "Don't cry a **** wolf."

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Before he tosses out yet another untruth, the Pentagon has already answered that question.....

    A scathing new Pentagon report blames Trump for the return of ISIS in Syria and Iraq
    Technically isis never fully died and intel shown that for quite a while, heck even russian intel being very open and informing the world mentioned that isis was fleeing to afghanistan and using their cave network to regroup, it should have been known they would rebound the only question would be if they fully rebound in syria and iraq or move on to a new target, and whether they kept the same name or rebadged themselves like al quaeda has many times.
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    Re: Quote of the day: "Don't cry a **** wolf."

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    Interesting how Syria and Russia can't seem to squash the last vestiges of ISIS.
    Last I checked isis is almost completely non existent in areas west of the euphrates, and only seems to keep resurging east where kurds/united states run the show. In areas under assads control hts is the only major threat left they face other than turkish backed islamists.
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