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    Re: Islamic State claims responsibility for bombing at Kabul wedding that killed 63

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    You said "lone wolf" terrorists "still read from the same play book - the Qur'an."

    Your assumption is wrong. Most domestic terrorism in the US originates with neo-Nazi / white supremacist groups.

    FBI Director Christopher Wray Says A Majority of Domestic Terrorism Cases are Motivated by White Supremacist Violence
    When you're going to change the subject mid-post, perhaps you should say so. You said, "I disagree. Such organizations are not allowed to metastasize in Western nations. What we have in the West is "lone wolf" operators". The organizations in question were Islamic terrorist groups, which means any further discussion is assumed to be about the same subject unless otherwise stated. It's pure linearity. Besides that, there have been Islamic lone-wolf terrorists on this side of the continent, and yes they do read from the same play book.
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    Re: Islamic State claims responsibility for bombing at Kabul wedding that killed 63

    Quote Originally Posted by stevecanuck View Post
    When you're going to change the subject mid-post, perhaps you should say so. You said, "I disagree. Such organizations are not allowed to metastasize in Western nations. What we have in the West is "lone wolf" operators". The organizations in question were Islamic terrorist groups, which means any further discussion is assumed to be about the same subject unless otherwise stated. It's pure linearity. Besides that, there have been Islamic lone-wolf terrorists on this side of the continent, and yes they do read from the same play book.
    The Quran does not encourage anyone to commit suicide bombings. Which is why such acts are roundly condemned by mainstream Muslims whenever they occur. Of course, extremists can find justification for whatever they please. That's why they're called extremists.

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    Re: Islamic State claims responsibility for bombing at Kabul wedding that killed 63

    Quote Originally Posted by Irredentist View Post
    The Quran does not encourage anyone to commit suicide bombings. Which is why such acts are roundly condemned by mainstream Muslims whenever they occur. Of course, extremists can find justification for whatever they please. That's why they're called extremists.
    That's basically correct. All they have to do to justify dying in that way is to simply treat it as another way of dying in battle. Easy peasy.
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    Re: Islamic State claims responsibility for bombing at Kabul wedding that killed 63

    Quote Originally Posted by stevecanuck View Post
    When you're going to change the subject mid-post, perhaps you should say so. You said, "I disagree. Such organizations are not allowed to metastasize in Western nations. What we have in the West is "lone wolf" operators". The organizations in question were Islamic terrorist groups, which means any further discussion is assumed to be about the same subject unless otherwise stated. It's pure linearity. Besides that, there have been Islamic lone-wolf terrorists on this side of the continent, and yes they do read from the same play book.
    No. Not all "lone wolf" terrorists acting on US soil are Muslim as you are implying. That's just Trumpian propaganda.

    Trumps own FBI Director Christopher Wray states that most domestic terrorism on US soil stems from white supremacist groups.


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    Re: Islamic State claims responsibility for bombing at Kabul wedding that killed 63

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    No. Not all "lone wolf" terrorists acting on US soil are Muslim as you are implying. That's just Trumpian propaganda.
    You're cute when you're floundering.

    I NEVER implied anything of the sort. You commented on Islamic terrorist organisations abroad, then segued into a statement that such organisations don't exist here, rather we have lone wolf activity. I agreed and added that they get their marching orders from the same book. Pretty simple and linear stuff. The topic was clearly Islamic terrorism ONLY within the context of that conversation. Then you changed the subject and tried to insert the square peg of white supremacy into the round hole of Islamic terrorism, which I assume you'll do again. So, go ahead, but I'm done here.





    Trumps own FBI Director Christopher Wray states that most domestic terrorism on US soil stems from white supremacist groups.
    That is probably true, what's your point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevecanuck View Post
    That's basically correct. All they have to do to justify dying in that way is to simply treat it as another way of dying in battle. Easy peasy.
    Your mistake is to assume that so called "Islamic terrorism" is really about Islam at all. If you look at the goals of organizations like ISIS or Al Qaeda, you'll see that they are not actually religious, but political in nature. Faith is a useful tool to inspire their followers, but what they're really after is power. Not to spread religion.

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    Re: Islamic State claims responsibility for bombing at Kabul wedding that killed 63

    Quote Originally Posted by Irredentist View Post
    Your mistake is to assume that so called "Islamic terrorism" is really about Islam at all. If you look at the goals of organizations like ISIS or Al Qaeda, you'll see that they are not actually religious, but political in nature. Faith is a useful tool to inspire their followers, but what they're really after is power. Not to spread religion.
    How do you know that? If you study the Qur'an, you'll see that fighting "fee sabil allah" is commanded of them by God. Your statement is completely unsupported.
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    Re: Islamic State claims responsibility for bombing at Kabul wedding that killed 63

    Quote Originally Posted by stevecanuck View Post
    How do you know that? If you study the Qur'an, you'll see that fighting "fee sabil allah" is commanded of them by God. Your statement is completely unsupported.
    The Quran may command Muslims to fight for God, but that isn't what ISIS or Al Qaeda are actually doing. Mostly what they do is kill other Muslims, at mosques, in markets, at weddings. I don't think you'll find that commanded anywhere in the Quran. Again, it's not about religion, it's about politics and power.

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    Re: Islamic State claims responsibility for bombing at Kabul wedding that killed 63

    Quote Originally Posted by Irredentist View Post
    The Quran may command Muslims to fight for God, but that isn't what ISIS or Al Qaeda are actually doing. Mostly what they do is kill other Muslims, at mosques, in markets, at weddings. I don't think you'll find that commanded anywhere in the Quran. Again, it's not about religion, it's about politics and power.
    Oh c'mon. You can't be that uninformed. Sunnis consider Shia to be heretics, and therefore on the hit list. Btw, when did you get in their heads and become privy to their 'true' motives? This is a clear Occam's razor scenario.
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    Re: Islamic State claims responsibility for bombing at Kabul wedding that killed 63

    Quote Originally Posted by stevecanuck View Post
    Oh c'mon. You can't be that uninformed. Sunnis consider Shia to be heretics, and therefore on the hit list. Btw, when did you get in their heads and become privy to their 'true' motives? This is a clear Occam's razor scenario.
    Are you aware of what differentiates Shia from Sunnis? Sunnis supported Abu Bakr, the successor to Mohammed and the first Caliph, while Shia believe it should have been Ali ibn Abi Talib. Once again, this is a political difference, rather than a theological one.

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