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How to help the Kurds with the remnants of IS

Infinite Chaos

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Some 11000 foreign brides are held in camps in Kurd controlled areas. Many have kids.

BBC iPlayer - Panorama - Stacey Meets the IS Brides

Only on BBC iPlayer at the moment but bound to reach Youtube sometime soon.

Powerful program, Stacey Dooley met and discussed the reasons for joining IS and predictably, the overwhelming majority of women in these camps said they had nothing to do with the IS activities - that they were in households, washing and ironing. In the second camp, a young Kurd female in charge of the camp talked about efforts to deradicalise the women and children. We saw a classroom with a Kurdish singing teacher trying to teach kids (one of whom - a year later) was shouting "Haram" at attempts to engage the kids in singing.

My overwhelming feeling at the end of this program was how to help the Kurds. They are dealing with this horrendous problem but with very little infrastructure and financial help from outside. We don't want these people back but apparently some nations are letting kids come in but only those where the parents are both dead - which raises the question of where the kids are put that do come. Are they put with muslim families when they get to a Western nation? Are they then at risk of radicalisation? Children have rights to find out about birth parents - does this bring the problem back at a later date?

4000 kids in one camp alone..
 
It's a problem with few good answers. Most countries want nothing to do with ISIS brides or their children.

Probably the best hope is providing the Muslim Kurds with the resources to de-radicalize these lost souls.
 
Rogue Valley said:
It's a problem with few good answers. Most countries want nothing to do with ISIS brides or their children.

Probably the best hope is providing the Muslim Kurds with the resources to de-radicalize these lost souls.
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True, but nobody is helping the Kurds. It was humbling to see the lack of anger among Kurds in the program about what IS inflicted on them. I'm looking at charities right now which donate to the Kurds - I will make a donation after seeing that program.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
True, but nobody is helping the Kurds. It was humbling to see the lack of anger among Kurds in the program about what IS inflicted on them. I'm looking at charities right now which donate to the Kurds - I will make a donation after seeing that program.
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The Kurds are a brave and resilient people and deserve far more support than they receive.

Mark my words, Erdogan will order the Turk military to attack them at the earliest opportunity. Trump seems disinclined to protect the people that payed a heavy price defeating ISIS.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
My overwhelming feeling at the end of this program was how to help the Kurds. They are dealing with this horrendous problem but with very little infrastructure and financial help from outside.
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Rogue Valley said:
Mark my words, Erdogan will order the Turk military to attack them at the earliest opportunity. Trump seems disinclined to protect the people that payed a heavy price defeating ISIS.
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And as forecast.....

Erdogan threatens operation against Syria Kurd militia 'very soon'

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Turkish armor rolling into northern Syria's Afrin canton of the Kurdish Rojava homeland. Jan. 2018.

8/6/19
Istanbul (AFP) - Turkey and the US were on a collision course Tuesday as President Recep Tayyip Erdogan threatened to "eliminate" a Kurdish militia in northern Syria -- a move deemed "unacceptable" by the Pentagon. Erdogan has repeatedly warned that it is preparing an offensive into Syria against the Kurdish YPG militia, which the US has supported as the main fighting force against the Islamic State group. "Turkey has the right to eliminate all threats against its national security," he said in a televised speech in Ankara. "God willing, we will carry the process started with (previous offensives into Syria) to the next stage very soon." So far, Turkey has been unimpressed with US "safe zone" proposals which it says do not keep the YPG far enough away from the Turkish border. It sees the YPG as an offshoot of the Kurdish PKK, which has fought a bloody separatist insurgency inside Turkey for the past 35 years. "Turkey expects steps from the US befitting of a NATO ally and strategic partner," Erdogan said. "Drying up the terrorist swamp in northern Syria is our top priority."
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Erdogan intends to drive the US out of the Middle East. He is beating the US over the head with his talk of the US opposing a "fellow NATO country". IMO, Turkey ceased being a NATO country when Ankara purchased the Russian S-400 anti-air system despite many warnings from Washington. The question is, will Trump allow one of his favorite dictators to slaughter a US ally, or will he bend to the demands of the Pentagon?
 
Take the brides back if they are your own nationals and any children they have given birth to and/or are carrying. Hold them in detention until it can be determined whether they are guilty of any violent crimes through a background check and by interrogating other detainees. If they can be tried for violent crimes, then do so and if found guilty then jail them for long periods and make their children wards of the state to be fostered or adopted. If the mothers cannot be found guilty of crimes other than membership in ISIL then give them a sentence of 2 years over which time they and their children will be kept together and deradicalised. When their sentences are finished then help them reintegrate into the mainstream societies of their countries of origin. Offer the former ISIL brides some modest state income if they will travel about and speak publicly to other Muslim women, yourh, and perhaps men about the horrors of ISIL and the dangers of such radicalism.

For those few women who cannot be deradicalised or whom the state believes pose a clear and present danger to peace, order and civil society allow preventative detention for the brides and fostering/adoption for the children.

Do the same for ISIL men with more vigorous prosecution and punishment and if necessary more preventative detention. The West has far more resources to clean up its own messes from the Middle East than the overburdened Kurds do, so we should do it.

This is especially important and urgent since the Turks seemed to be positioning for military action against the Kurds soon, in which case all these detainees could be freed in the chaos and be in the wind.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Evilroddy said:
Take the brides back if they are your own nationals and any children they have given birth to and/or are carrying. Hold them in detention until it can be determined whether they are guilty of any violent crimes through a background check and by interrogating other detainees. If they can be tried for violent crimes, then do so and if found guilty then jail them for long periods and make their children wards of the state to be fostered or adopted. If the mothers cannot be found guilty of crimes other than membership in ISIL then give them a sentence of 2 years over which time they and their children will be kept together and deradicalised. When their sentences are finished then help them reintegrate into the mainstream societies of their countries of origin. Offer the former ISIL brides some modest state income if they will travel about and speak publicly to other Muslim women, yourh, and perhaps men about the horrors of ISIL and the dangers of such radicalism.

For those few women who cannot be deradicalised or whom the state believes pose a clear and present danger to peace, order and civil society allow preventative detention for the brides and fostering/adoption for the children.

Do the same for ISIL men with more vigorous prosecution and punishment and if necessary more preventative detention. The West has far more resources to clean up its own messes from the Middle East than the overburdened Kurds do, so we should do it.

This is especially important and urgent since the Turks seemed to be positioning for military action against the Kurds soon, in which case all these detainees could be freed in the chaos and be in the wind.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Beginning to see the sense in this - though I remain hostile to the idea of ever bringing any of them back. If we are (the west) not going to help the Kurds - we need to do something else.
 
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