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Do you believe that the Mainstream media practice manipulation and lie to the audience?


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stan1990

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The civil war in Congo described in 2006 by Time magazine as "the deadliest war in the world. Over 4 million civilians killed as a result of political violence over 10 years. Nevertheless, nobody cares about Africa. Beneath the façade of the ethnic warfare, the conflict in the Congo is all about natural mining resources mostly are Gold, Diamond, Cobalt, Copper and Coltan. How is that a currency of a country rich in such natural resources used in high-tech equipment to be worthless? The civil war in the Central African Republic triggered by the discovery of oil in the northern part of the country. The French government did not send troops there spending millions in taxpayer's money for humanitarian reasons. The chaos in Libya created because of European intervention that overthrows the regime opening the Libyan shores for hundreds of thousands of refugees seeking Europe.

Turkey is a main ally of the United States in the region and a member of NATO. A former U.S. Ambassador Peter Galbraith declared that the corporation of Turkey is vital to the U.S efforts to protect Iraqi Kurds from renewed Genocide on the hands of Saddam Hussein. Meanwhile, the Turkish army was involved in intense bombardment with artillery and F-16 on Kurdish villages killing hundreds of civilians. Mainstream media applied the word Genocide toward the massacre of the Kurds by Kurdish Army(1990-1999) 14 times with 8 news articles and one front-page story, comparing to the Balkans war(1998-1999), 220 times with 118 news articles and 41 front-page stories. Furthermore, mainstream media turn blind of Turkish support for Al-Qaeda insurgency in Syria. Members of organizations like ISIS, Al-Nusra Front and FSA(Free Syrian Army) established training camps on the Turkish side of the border with Syria. No doubt, without Turkish open borders policy, the insurgency in Syria will lose a lifeline and will not be able to continue their fight.

Sukarno was the first president of Indonesia after its independence from the Dutch colonialism. He led his country to achieve independence in 1949 by diplomatic and military efforts. In 1965, he was ousted by a military coup led by Suharto, a general in the Indonesian army. Followed the coup that had the U.S blessing, a massacre was over 500 hundred thousands killed suspected being Indonesian communist party members(PKI). The American embassy in Indonesia provided a list of PKI members to the Indonesian army. Besides, it provided the army with communication devices and funded secretly a demagogue militia associated with the Indonesian army involved in the massacre that followed the coup. East Timor was another bleeding wound responsible for destabilizing Indonesia for decades to come. The government forces intervention in the 1999 UN-sponsored referendum cost 5000-6000 East Timorese civilians. Also, more than 200 thousands civilians killed since 1974 as the Indonesian army invaded East Timor in-order to annex Indonesia.

Mainstream media played dumb to all of that massacres, killing, civil wars and ethnic cleansing. They express no emotions over clear cases of war crimes such as the killing of over 500 thousands Iraqi kids because of American sanctions and invasion of Iraq in 2003. Some estimates raise that number to one million child victims as a result of the lack of medicine, food shortage and the use of WMD. Mainstream media accuse the Syrian army of using chemical weapons against civilians, however; they keep blind eyes of the rebel forces using chemical weapons against the Syrian army and civilians. NewYork Times, Time magazine and the Washington Post didn’t run a front-page story of the rebel forces ethnic cleansing and war crimes in the coastal area in the countryside near the Turkish border. Rebel forces murdered hundreds of civilians and kidnapped women and children without the loud cry for justice from the United Nation, U.S government or the mainstream media.

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The civil war in Congo described in 2006 by Time magazine as "the deadliest war in the world. Over 4 million civilians killed as a result of political violence over 10 years. Nevertheless, nobody cares about Africa. Beneath the façade of the ethnic warfare, the conflict in the Congo is all about natural mining resources mostly are Gold, Diamond, Cobalt, Copper and Coltan. How is that a currency of a country rich in such natural resources used in high-tech equipment to be worthless? The civil war in the Central African Republic triggered by the discovery of oil in the northern part of the country. The French government did not send troops there spending millions in taxpayer's money for humanitarian reasons. The chaos in Libya created because of European intervention that overthrows the regime opening the Libyan shores for hundreds of thousands of refugees seeking Europe.

Turkey is a main ally of the United States in the region and a member of NATO. A former U.S. Ambassador Peter Galbraith declared that the corporation of Turkey is vital to the U.S efforts to protect Iraqi Kurds from renewed Genocide on the hands of Saddam Hussein. Meanwhile, the Turkish army was involved in intense bombardment with artillery and F-16 on Kurdish villages killing hundreds of civilians. Mainstream media applied the word Genocide toward the massacre of the Kurds by Kurdish Army(1990-1999) 14 times with 8 news articles and one front-page story, comparing to the Balkans war(1998-1999), 220 times with 118 news articles and 41 front-page stories. Furthermore, mainstream media turn blind of Turkish support for Al-Qaeda insurgency in Syria. Members of organizations like ISIS, Al-Nusra Front and FSA(Free Syrian Army) established training camps on the Turkish side of the border with Syria. No doubt, without Turkish open borders policy, the insurgency in Syria will lose a lifeline and will not be able to continue their fight.

Sukarno was the first president of Indonesia after its independence from the Dutch colonialism. He led his country to achieve independence in 1949 by diplomatic and military efforts. In 1965, he was ousted by a military coup led by Suharto, a general in the Indonesian army. Followed the coup that had the U.S blessing, a massacre was over 500 hundred thousands killed suspected being Indonesian communist party members(PKI). The American embassy in Indonesia provided a list of PKI members to the Indonesian army. Besides, it provided the army with communication devices and funded secretly a demagogue militia associated with the Indonesian army involved in the massacre that followed the coup. East Timor was another bleeding wound responsible for destabilizing Indonesia for decades to come. The government forces intervention in the 1999 UN-sponsored referendum cost 5000-6000 East Timorese civilians. Also, more than 200 thousands civilians killed since 1974 as the Indonesian army invaded East Timor in-order to annex Indonesia.

Mainstream media played dumb to all of that massacres, killing, civil wars and ethnic cleansing. They express no emotions over clear cases of war crimes such as the killing of over 500 thousands Iraqi kids because of American sanctions and invasion of Iraq in 2003. Some estimates raise that number to one million child victims as a result of the lack of medicine, food shortage and the use of WMD. Mainstream media accuse the Syrian army of using chemical weapons against civilians, however; they keep blind eyes of the rebel forces using chemical weapons against the Syrian army and civilians. NewYork Times, Time magazine and the Washington Post didn’t run a front-page story of the rebel forces ethnic cleansing and war crimes in the coastal area in the countryside near the Turkish border. Rebel forces murdered hundreds of civilians and kidnapped women and children without the loud cry for justice from the United Nation, U.S government or the mainstream media.

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Mainstream media has reported on most if not all of the events you listed....

Where is the lie?
 
Iraq is now a democracy with human rights, and it's the darling of the development project world.
 
Mainstream media has reported on most if not all of the events you listed....

Where is the lie?

What I was talking about is a blatant double standard, not the media didn't talk about it at all. Stop acting like you know what you are talking about. Read the thread carefully first then write your comment.
 
Iraq is now a democracy with human rights, and it's the darling of the development project world.

Don't tell anybody else what you told me, they will laugh.
 
Don't tell anybody else what you told me, they will laugh.

Typical ignorant cowardly BS. You gonna hide like a little girl from tyrants? Ever done anything for anyone? As long as you got yours, **** everyone else, huh? I seen that type plenty.

Is there anything you're willing to fight for? Genocide, you don't care. As long as you got your x-box and can play Dress-up Barbie.

What did it feel like to stand aside, relegated to cheerleader, while the world fought for liberation? Nihilism is the only comfort for doing nothing.
 
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What I was talking about is a blatant double standard, not the media didn't talk about it at all. Stop acting like you know what you are talking about. Read the thread carefully first then write your comment.

I read your Gish Gallop of hyperbole and ignorance.

Mainstream media has reported on most if not all of the events you listed....

Where is the lie?
 
Typical ignorant cowardly BS. You gonna hide like a little girl from tyrants? Ever done anything for anyone? As long as you got yours, **** everyone else, huh? I seen that type plenty.

Is there anything you're willing to fight for? Genocide, you don't care. As long as you got your x-box and can play Dress-up Barbie.

What did it feel like to stand aside, relegated to cheerleader, while the world fought for liberation? Nihilism is the only comfort for doing nothing.

Your views and people like you make me sick. Many Iraqi innocent children killed in Iraq, estimates range from 500 thousand to 1 million. Sanctions and direct military action killed more Iraqi than Saddam Hussein did during his years as ruler of Iraq. The invasion of Iraq is the reason for the emergence of ISIS. Moreover, American and British occupation forces were aiding Al-Qaeda members in Iraq. Then you come to talk about X-Box and Cheerleaders. You can do better than that, stop playing X-Box and going to Basketball games for the sole purpose of watching what's under the cheerleader's skirts.
 
I read your Gish Gallop of hyperbole and ignorance.

Mainstream media has reported on most if not all of the events you listed....

Where is the lie?

What I was talking about is a blatant double standard, not the media didn't talk about it at all. Stop acting like you know what you are talking about. Read the thread carefully first then write your comment.
 
For the record, using nasty language when commenting on a thread is a sign of weakness. Ignoring the facts, asking for evidence is another sign of weakness. During a debate, it is impossible that everybody agrees on a certain view or opinion. However, facts upset some people who can't reply, and this reflects on their comments.
 
Mainstream media played dumb to all of that massacres, killing, civil wars and ethnic cleansing. They express no emotions over clear cases of war crimes such as the killing of over 500 thousands Iraqi kids because of American sanctions and invasion of Iraq in 2003. Some estimates raise that number to one million child victims as a result of the lack of medicine, food shortage and the use of WMD. Mainstream media accuse the Syrian army of using chemical weapons against civilians, however; they keep blind eyes of the rebel forces using chemical weapons against the Syrian army and civilians. NewYork Times, Time magazine and the Washington Post didn’t run a front-page story of the rebel forces ethnic cleansing and war crimes in the coastal area in the countryside near the Turkish border. Rebel forces murdered hundreds of civilians and kidnapped women and children without the loud cry for justice from the United Nation, U.S government or the mainstream media.

You make claims, but you provide no citations.
 
For the record, using nasty language when commenting on a thread is a sign of weakness. Ignoring the facts, asking for evidence is another sign of weakness. During a debate, it is impossible that everybody agrees on a certain view or opinion. However, facts upset some people who can't reply, and this reflects on their comments.

Yeah, okay.

people like you make me sick.
 
The civil war in Congo described in 2006 by Time magazine as "the deadliest war in the world. Over 4 million civilians killed as a result of political violence over 10 years. Nevertheless, nobody cares about Africa. Beneath the façade of the ethnic warfare, the conflict in the Congo is all about natural mining resources mostly are Gold, Diamond, Cobalt, Copper and Coltan. How is that a currency of a country rich in such natural resources used in high-tech equipment to be worthless? The civil war in the Central African Republic triggered by the discovery of oil in the northern part of the country. The French government did not send troops there spending millions in taxpayer's money for humanitarian reasons. The chaos in Libya created because of European intervention that overthrows the regime opening the Libyan shores for hundreds of thousands of refugees seeking Europe.

Turkey is a main ally of the United States in the region and a member of NATO. A former U.S. Ambassador Peter Galbraith declared that the corporation of Turkey is vital to the U.S efforts to protect Iraqi Kurds from renewed Genocide on the hands of Saddam Hussein. Meanwhile,...

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Mainstream media played dumb to all of that massacres, killing, civil wars and ethnic cleansing. They express no emotions over clear cases of war crimes such as the killing of over 500 thousands Iraqi kids because of American sanctions and invasion of Iraq in 2003. Some estimates raise that number to one million child victims as a result of the lack of medicine, food shortage and the use of WMD. Mainstream media accuse the Syrian army of using chemical weapons against civilians, however; they keep blind eyes of the rebel forces using chemical weapons against the Syrian army and civilians. NewYork Times, Time magazine and the Washington Post didn’t run a front-page story of the rebel forces ethnic cleansing and war crimes in the coastal area in the countryside near the Turkish border. Rebel forces murdered hundreds of civilians and kidnapped women and children without the loud cry for justice from the United Nation, U.S government or the mainstream media.

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Stan1990:

You're painting a picture with too broad a set of strokes. The Media is not a monolith which behaves uniformly and in lock-step. Corporate-owned mass media like some of the sources you mentioned has vested interests to down-play or promote certain "interpretations of the news due to who owns the mass media companies. But there are plenty of smaller media companies and sources of independent journalism which have covered the events you cite with deep analysis and very critical reportage.

It all boils down to convenience and effort. If a person wants to do the work then the media sources are there to get a good and balanced view of what is really going on in the world with respect to atrocities and mass killing. If however one is a casual consumer of news then one will get a skewed vision because the cost of the convenience of consuming mass media news and analysis is accepting the agendas baked into that news.

Most people think mass media news is delivered free as a public service but that is not really true anymore. The mass media outlets actually lose money covering the news, but they do it anyway. Why? Because they are not in the informing business, but rather in the production business and the product they are making is the "viewers/listeners/readers" in their audiences. The advertising does not cover the cost of gathering and reporting the news but the ability to shape peoples' minds and to control the terms of public debate are invaluable to the managers, owners and shareholders of the media conglomerates which are mass producing "agenda" and imprinting that into the minds of much of the populace from cradle to grave. These media conglomerates are using convenience and laziness on the part of their audiences to manufacture public opinion and to thus reshape the world closer to what they and their political allies desire it to be. The consumers of this media are reduced to meat puppets on electronic and fibre optic strings. Perceived reality becomes kabuki theatre and free will is warped into "manufactured consent".

So it's not so much that much of the media does not report the stories you cite but how they report them and how they shape public perception about them.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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You make claims, but you provide no citations.

Maybe you should ask your self the same question. It is an easy way to escape from the debate by keep asking for citation. Why you don't cite for me the names of these 500 civilians that you claim in one of your threads were killed recently in Idlib.
 
Stan1990:

You're painting a picture with too broad a set of strokes. The Media is not a monolith which behaves uniformly and in lock-step. Corporate-owned mass media like some of the sources you mentioned has vested interests to down-play or promote certain "interpretations of the news due to who owns the mass media companies. But there are plenty of smaller media companies and sources of independent journalism which have covered the events you cite with deep analysis and very critical reportage.

It all boils down to convenience and effort. If a person wants to do the work then the media sources are there to get a good and balanced view of what is really going on in the world with respect to atrocities and mass killing. If however one is a casual consumer of news then one will get a skewed vision because the cost of the convenience of consuming mass media news and analysis is accepting the agendas baked into that news.

Most people think mass media news is delivered free as a public service but that is not really true anymore. The mass media outlets actually lose money covering the news, but they do it anyway. Why? Because they are not in the informing business, but rather in the production business and the product they are making is the "viewers/listeners/readers" in their audiences. The advertising does not cover the cost of gathering and reporting the news but the ability to shape peoples' minds and to control the terms of public debate are invaluable to the managers, owners and shareholders of the media conglomerates which are mass producing "agenda" and imprinting that into the minds of much of the populace from cradle to grave. These media conglomerates are using convenience and laziness on the part of their audiences to manufacture public opinion and to thus reshape the world closer to what they and their political allies desire it to be. The consumers of this media are reduced to meat puppets on electronic and fibre optic strings. Perceived reality becomes kabuki theatre and free will is warped into "manufactured consent".

So it's not so much that much of the media does not report the stories you cite but how they report them and how they shape public perception about them.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

I like meaningful comments regardless I agree with them or not. I agree with you on what you mentioned regarding the smaller media companies and sources of independent journalism, but they are not effective decision-making media sources. To watch some news on CNN is different from watching the same news on one of these smaller media companies.
Look what happened in Congo all these years and compare it with Syria, no sanctions or threat of using force. Over 4 million Congolese killed without counting the injured, missing and refugees. Another example is what happened in Yugoslavia. I mean many examples exist on media double standards dealing with news and events worldwide.
Cheers
Stan1990
 
Maybe you should ask your self the same question. It is an easy way to escape from the debate by keep asking for citation.

That's the way it's done in debate. You post supporting citations to bolster your argument.

You don't even have a supporting citation in the Opening Post. How good can your position be if you can't [or won't] support it with facts?

Like anyone is just going to blindly accept your opinion? Doesn't work that way Stan. You don't have any posting history here.
 
That's the way it's done in debate. You post supporting citations to bolster your argument.

You don't even have a supporting citation in the Opening Post. How good can your position be if you can't [or won't] support it with facts?

Like anyone is just going to blindly accept your opinion? Doesn't work that way Stan. You don't have any posting history here.

It is not about the citation but its quality and documentation. You have zero quality and your sources aren't credible, but biased.
 
It is not about the citation but its quality and documentation. You have zero quality and your sources aren't credible, but biased.

You don't have any sources at all. Zero, zippo, zilch, bubkis. Can't be much of a position if you can't support it with anything other than flapping lips.
 
You don't have any sources at all. Zero, zippo, zilch, bubkis. Can't be much of a position if you can't support it with anything other than flapping lips.

Your sources are worst than zero, they are pseudo. Al-Jazeera is an example. It is like you ask a journalist in the Israeli T.V about his opinion in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Al-Jazeera is biased, and their support shifted 100% to Al-Qaeda in Syria. You think that copy/paste many links is rocket science, anybody can do the same. you need to cite from credible sources which you don't.
 
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What I was talking about is a blatant double standard, not the media didn't talk about it at all. Stop acting like you know what you are talking about. Read the thread carefully first then write your comment.

Your words...

"Mainstream media played dumb to all of that massacres, killing, civil wars and ethnic cleansing. They express no emotions over clear cases of war crimes such as the killing of over 500 thousands Iraqi kids because of American sanctions and invasion of Iraq in 2003."

Played dumb to ALL.... Express NO emotion.....

Both Incorrect.

Please fail again.

I suggest you read the actual US news coverage of those events.....
 
Your words...

"Mainstream media played dumb to all of that massacres, killing, civil wars and ethnic cleansing. They express no emotions over clear cases of war crimes such as the killing of over 500 thousands Iraqi kids because of American sanctions and invasion of Iraq in 2003."

Played dumb to ALL.... Express NO emotion.....

Both Incorrect.

Please fail again.

I suggest you read the actual US news coverage of those events.....

You try to hunt in the cloudy water, but you fail miserably as always. Again, where did I wrote that the media didn't talk about it at all? Read more careful the threads before writing your non-sense comments on them.
 
I quoted the words.

You explain the word the words the way you want not the way I mean when I wrote them. Don't try to hunt in the cloudy waters, no fish for you.
 
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