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EU discusses new sanctions on Turkey

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EU discusses new sanctions on Turkey

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7/10/19
Brussels - EU diplomats have discussed which sanctions to slap on Turkey over gas drilling in Cypriot waters, amid Ankara's ongoing mockery of Europe. Potential measures include suspending EU-Turkey political talks and technical talks on issues such as energy and transport, as well as similar bilateral talks between EU capitals and Ankara. They also include cuts in EU aid to for Turkish reforms and curtailing European Investment Bank (EIB) lending. "The cuts in pre-accession funds were already agreed last year, so this would just be a symbolic confirmation of that," an EU diplomat told EUobserver on Wednesday (10 July), referring to a previous decision to hold back €147m due to Turkey's human rights abuses. The freeze on EIB loans, which were worth €386m last year, could also "easily be done", the EU contact said. But suspension of talks was a more delicate issue. "We have to send the appropriate political message, while keeping some channels of communication open," the diplomat noted. "We need to continue dialogue on certain issues which are important to us," the source added, referring to an old EU-Turkey deal to hold back refugees coming from Syria to Greece. But for his part, EU Council president Donald Tusk indicated that sanctions were a done deal. "Despite our best intentions to keep good neighbourly relations with Turkey, its continued escalation and challenge to the sovereignty of our member state Cyprus will inevitably lead the EU to respond in full solidarity," he said on Wednesday.

The dispute arose after two Turkish ships began drilling for gas in waters claimed both by Cyprus and by the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, which broke away in the 1970s, but which is recognized by Turkey only. The row has also seen Egypt, Israel, and the US urge Turkey to stop, in a regional energy axis which aims to build a new gas pipeline to the EU, the EastMed pipeline, weakening Turkey and Russia's grip on energy supplies to south-east Europe.
The gas dispute comes after Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan already caused a rift with the EU by jailing and torturing political opponents in the wake of a failed coup. His one-man rule has also seen him put relatives in charge of the finance ministry and sack his central bank chief on a whim, creating a crisis of confidence in the Turkish economy. He has cozied up to Moscow by buying anti-aircraft systems from Russia instead of the US, but that has prompted threats of American sanctions which could cause further financial pain. Turkish-occupied northern Cyprus hosts tens of thousands of Turkish soldiers and Ankara said it might send warships to escort its gas-drilling vessels. "Cyprus is unhappy and has the full solidarity of member states, but they're working with the EU on a response in purely civilian terms," the EU source said.

The US will probably also levee sanctions on Turkey later this week in response to Ankara buying military equipment from Russia.

Erdogan is taking Turkey ever deeper into the rabbit hole of pariah state.
 
I guess ludicrous inflation was not enough of an issue for Turkey, Erdogan wants more issues and more inflation. Erdogan's regime is falling apart.
 
It wasn't that long ago when the EU was courting Turkey, and vice versa.

Erdogan promised continued secular governance. Now he is Caliph in all but name.

The secular generals are history, their powers in retreat. The army is no longer capable of dealing with the separatist Kurds, nor the mountain tribes of the north. Many of the 2-300k Christians of Turkey have fled to western Europe and Russia, particularly Armenian Christians who have fled to Germany, and more recently the US, sponsored by previous Armenian immigrant families who arrived in the US during the early 20th century. More are leaving because of persecution.

The predominant Sunni population is not happy with the alliance with Shia Iran, odd since Erdogan is Sunni and has declared the Shia are not welcome in Iraq. And he has been courting the Sunni of western India, which nation is now almost on a war footing with Turkey. The well armed, dangerous Fascist like outlawed Hindi National Party rants about Turkey daily in its many well read newspapers. The Hindi Nationalist Militia is almost solely responsible for armed outbreaks of violence in the Kashmir region disputed with Pakistan. The militia is believed by some to be larger than the Indian Military. Ghandi was assassinated by a member of the Hindi National Party.
 
EU discusses new sanctions on Turkey

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The US will probably also levee sanctions on Turkey later this week in response to Ankara buying military equipment from Russia.

Erdogan is taking Turkey ever deeper into the rabbit hole of pariah state.
The EU today decided upon the sanctions.

Among other things EU monies are cut, negotiations on the Comprehensive Air Transport Agreement are stopped and there will be (for now) no further talks on trade and economics, and the EIB is called upon to limit loans.

Further measures may be taken, should Turkey not leave its dangerous course.
 
The EU today decided upon the sanctions.

Among other things EU monies are cut, negotiations on the Comprehensive Air Transport Agreement are stopped and there will be (for now) no further talks on trade and economics, and the EIB is called upon to limit loans.

Further measures may be taken, should Turkey not leave its dangerous course.

President Erdogan will probably open the Turkish frontier, once again flooding Europe with refugees from Mesopotamia and Afghanistan. This would probably foster more growth in European, xenophobic right-wing parties which will likely be more sympathetic to Turkey's authoritarian regime. Turkey may also hold its traditionally Russophobia nose and cooperate more closely with the Kremlin in Syria, the Black Sea and Iraq.

Cheers?
Evilroddy.
 
President Erdogan will probably open the Turkish frontier, once again flooding Europe with refugees from Mesopotamia and Afghanistan. This would probably foster more growth in European, xenophobic right-wing parties which will likely be more sympathetic to Turkey's authoritarian regime. Turkey may also hold its traditionally Russophobia nose and cooperate more closely with the Kremlin in Syria, the Black Sea and Iraq.

Cheers?
Evilroddy.

I forgot about the option Turkey has regarding refugees
 
I forgot about the option Turkey has regarding refugees

Tammerlain:

I am pretty sure that Mr. Erdogan has not. Europe and especially Greece had better brace themselves.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
President Erdogan will probably open the Turkish frontier, once again flooding Europe with refugees from Mesopotamia and Afghanistan. This would probably foster more growth in European, xenophobic right-wing parties which will likely be more sympathetic to Turkey's authoritarian regime. Turkey may also hold its traditionally Russophobia nose and cooperate more closely with the Kremlin in Syria, the Black Sea and Iraq.

Cheers?
Evilroddy.

I think Erdogan left the West quite some time ago. The powers that be simply refused to believe what was right in front of them.

It was no accident that tens of thousands of foreign ISIS recruits made their way through Turkey to Syria so easily.
 
President Erdogan will probably open the Turkish frontier, once again flooding Europe with refugees from Mesopotamia and Afghanistan. This would probably foster more growth in European, xenophobic right-wing parties which will likely be more sympathetic to Turkey's authoritarian regime. Turkey may also hold its traditionally Russophobia nose and cooperate more closely with the Kremlin in Syria, the Black Sea and Iraq.

Cheers?
Evilroddy.
Opinion noted.

Thanks for sharing.
 
Tammerlain:

I am pretty sure that Mr. Erdogan has not. Europe and especially Greece had better brace themselves.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
Opinion noted.

Thanks for sharing.
 
I think Erdogan left the West quite some time ago. The powers that be simply refused to believe what was right in front of them.

It was no accident that tens of thousands of foreign ISIS recruits made their way through Turkey to Syria so easily.
Not to mention Turkey supplying them with arms at the time and letting wounded IS fighters cross into Turkey from Syria for medical care.
 
I think Erdogan left the West quite some time ago. The powers that be simply refused to believe what was right in front of them.

It was no accident that tens of thousands of foreign ISIS recruits made their way through Turkey to Syria so easily.

I find it so ironic that erdogan still has the gall to stand in front of a portrait of Ataturk for of his speeches. Ataturk turned Turkey from a 19th century Islamic caliphate into a modern secular democracy, and embraced Western values. Erdogan is completely uprooting his legacy.

”My people are going to learn the principles of democracy, the dictates of truth and the teachings of science. Superstition must go.”
Mustafa Kemal Ataturk
 
I find it so ironic that erdogan still has the gall to stand in front of a portrait of Ataturk for of his speeches. Ataturk turned Turkey from a 19th century Islamic caliphate into a modern secular democracy, and embraced Western values. Erdogan is completely uprooting his legacy.

I would not go so far as to say Ataturk created Turkey to be a modern democracy. In the elections in his time, there was only 1 party in Turkey. Can not really have an honest election if their is only one party to vote for. Turkey also has had a history of military coups over the last 60 years or so
 
I think Erdogan left the West quite some time ago. The powers that be simply refused to believe what was right in front of them.

It was no accident that tens of thousands of foreign ISIS recruits made their way through Turkey to Syria so easily.

Sympathy for foreign ISIS fighters battling one of Erdogan's thorns in the foot, the separatist Kurds from their bases in Syria and Iraq.

The American Wild West was a land of peace compared to the Wild Mideast.
 
I would not go so far as to say Ataturk created Turkey to be a modern democracy. In the elections in his time, there was only 1 party in Turkey. Can not really have an honest election if their is only one party to vote for. Turkey also has had a history of military coups over the last 60 years or so

Ataturk was at least heading in that direction. Erdogan has turned around and is walking back in the opposite direction..
 
Ataturk was at least heading in that direction. Erdogan has turned around and is walking back in the opposite direction..

Erdogan has been far more democratic than Ataturk was.

The main difference is forced secularism.
 
Erdogan has been far more democratic than Ataturk was.

The main difference is forced secularism.

In late October 2014 Mr. Erdoğan stated it was his “grand design to recreate the Ottoman caliphate with the help of the Sunni jihadist army.”

Not Ataturk’s vision of secular democracy.
 
Until he (Erdogan) started seizing the opportunity to work towards ruling supreme.

now replaced by forced Islamisation.

Can you show me the examples of forced Islamization

Not the arrests of people after the coup, or anti democratic actions but actual forced Islamization. Honest question, Iran does it, Pakistan does it, but I have not read about Turkey forcing Islam on people under Erdogan
 
Can you show me the examples of forced Islamization

Not the arrests of people after the coup, or anti democratic actions but actual forced Islamization. Honest question, Iran does it, Pakistan does it, but I have not read about Turkey forcing Islam on people under Erdogan
I certainly agree that Turkey cannot be compared to any of those countries.

For starters, it's society is more complex and of greater variety.

Nevertheless:
For example, the Radio Television Supreme Council (RTÜK) frequently intervenes with TV channels to demand an Islamic code of morality. Though it never refers to Islam, it is clear that such interventions outline an Islamic approach.

Similarly, many public office holders are pushing for a de facto Islamisation. For instance, Turkey has seen an explosion in the number of Islam-oriented imam hatip schools in recent years, while many teachers work to transform the environment in their schools into an Islamist format. Such practices happen mostly in the form of reinterpreting the existing frameworks according to Islam.

Indeed, Islamisation with the hand of state power transforms Islam into an authoritarian agenda.
But I take your point, in that;
So it can be concluded that Islamisation is mostly felt at the administrative level in Turkey, but we are not observing a radical change at the sociological and legal levels.
The State of Islamisation in Turkey

What Erdogan wants doesn't necessarily mean that he'll get it.

I agree incidentally that Kemal's understanding and implementation of democracy was pretty dictatorial.
 
Sympathy for foreign ISIS fighters battling one of Erdogan's thorns in the foot, the separatist Kurds from their bases in Syria and Iraq.

Except the Kurd's that defeated ISIS on the ground are Syrian Kurd's, not the minority Kurd's within Turkey.

That said, Erdogan draws no distinction. To him the only good Kurd is a dead Kurd.
 
Erdogan has also been assisting Hamas with eavesdropping....

Meeting at first in a mosque, Yousef, 38, described how he worked for Hamas’s “political branch” in Turkey, which was in reality an intelligence gathering operation. He was working for Hamas until a month ago, the TV channel said. “Hamas operates security and military operations on Turkish soil under the cover of civil society,” said Yousef. “They have security centers from which they operate advanced listening equipment, to listen to people and (Palestinian) leaders in Ramallah.”
“They have advanced equipment and computer programs to do it,” he said. When asked if the group also listened to Israeli phone conversations, he said yes, but did not want to give further details. Yousef said it also targeted other Arab countries.
 
EU discusses new sanctions on Turkey

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The US will probably also levee sanctions on Turkey later this week in response to Ankara buying military equipment from Russia.

Erdogan is taking Turkey ever deeper into the rabbit hole of pariah state.

You don't even have a supporting citation. You don't have any sources at all. Zero, zippo, zilch, bubkis. Can't be much of a position if you can't support it with anything other than flapping lips.
 
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