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    Re: EU discusses new sanctions on Turkey

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    I forgot about the option Turkey has regarding refugees
    What remains to be seen now is whether Erdogan will pee on THAT money.
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    Re: EU discusses new sanctions on Turkey

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    I think Erdogan left the West quite some time ago. The powers that be simply refused to believe what was right in front of them.

    It was no accident that tens of thousands of foreign ISIS recruits made their way through Turkey to Syria so easily.
    Not to mention Turkey supplying them with arms at the time and letting wounded IS fighters cross into Turkey from Syria for medical care.
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    Re: EU discusses new sanctions on Turkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    I think Erdogan left the West quite some time ago. The powers that be simply refused to believe what was right in front of them.

    It was no accident that tens of thousands of foreign ISIS recruits made their way through Turkey to Syria so easily.
    I find it so ironic that erdogan still has the gall to stand in front of a portrait of Ataturk for of his speeches. Ataturk turned Turkey from a 19th century Islamic caliphate into a modern secular democracy, and embraced Western values. Erdogan is completely uprooting his legacy.

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    Re: EU discusses new sanctions on Turkey

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    I find it so ironic that erdogan still has the gall to stand in front of a portrait of Ataturk for of his speeches. Ataturk turned Turkey from a 19th century Islamic caliphate into a modern secular democracy, and embraced Western values. Erdogan is completely uprooting his legacy.
    I would not go so far as to say Ataturk created Turkey to be a modern democracy. In the elections in his time, there was only 1 party in Turkey. Can not really have an honest election if their is only one party to vote for. Turkey also has had a history of military coups over the last 60 years or so
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    Re: EU discusses new sanctions on Turkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    I think Erdogan left the West quite some time ago. The powers that be simply refused to believe what was right in front of them.

    It was no accident that tens of thousands of foreign ISIS recruits made their way through Turkey to Syria so easily.
    Sympathy for foreign ISIS fighters battling one of Erdogan's thorns in the foot, the separatist Kurds from their bases in Syria and Iraq.

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    Re: EU discusses new sanctions on Turkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I would not go so far as to say Ataturk created Turkey to be a modern democracy. In the elections in his time, there was only 1 party in Turkey. Can not really have an honest election if their is only one party to vote for. Turkey also has had a history of military coups over the last 60 years or so
    Ataturk was at least heading in that direction. Erdogan has turned around and is walking back in the opposite direction..

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    Re: EU discusses new sanctions on Turkey

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    Ataturk was at least heading in that direction. Erdogan has turned around and is walking back in the opposite direction..
    Erdogan has been far more democratic than Ataturk was.

    The main difference is forced secularism.
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    Re: EU discusses new sanctions on Turkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Erdogan has been far more democratic than Ataturk was.

    The main difference is forced secularism.
    In late October 2014 Mr. Erdoğan stated it was his “grand design to recreate the Ottoman caliphate with the help of the Sunni jihadist army.”

    Not Ataturk’s vision of secular democracy.

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    Re: EU discusses new sanctions on Turkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Erdogan has been far more democratic than Ataturk was.
    Until he (Erdogan) started seizing the opportunity to work towards ruling supreme.

    The main difference is forced secularism.
    now replaced by forced Islamisation.
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    Re: EU discusses new sanctions on Turkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Chagos View Post
    Until he (Erdogan) started seizing the opportunity to work towards ruling supreme.

    now replaced by forced Islamisation.
    Can you show me the examples of forced Islamization

    Not the arrests of people after the coup, or anti democratic actions but actual forced Islamization. Honest question, Iran does it, Pakistan does it, but I have not read about Turkey forcing Islam on people under Erdogan
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