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Russia-Syria assault on Idlib leaves over 500 civilians dead

Fledermaus said:
That DOES NOT change the fact the US admitted responsibility and punished...
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Lying about what happened is not an admission of responsibility and no one was criminally charged for their war crime. Murder 42 people in a war crime and your “punishment” is counseling and a letter of reprimand. :roll:
 
Napoleon said:
Lying about what happened is not an admission of responsibility and no one was criminally charged for their war crime. Murder 42 people in a war crime and your “punishment” is counseling and a letter of reprimand. :roll:
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah,

As the goalposts move.

No one was held accountable when the US massacred staff and patients in a direct attack against the Doctors Without Borders Kunduz Trauma Centre and lied about it.

Yes they were.

Please fail again.
 
Napoleon said:
No one was held accountable when the US massacred staff and patients in a direct attack against the Doctors Without Borders Kunduz Trauma Centre and lied about it.
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Fledermaus has already shown this accusation to be untrue. You fancy yourself as nimble [and willing] enough to defend Russia.

So then, demonstrate that any Russian pilot has been held accountable for the bombing of 23 hospitals in Idlib province since the new Syria offensive commenced.

Citations with links please. Russian language pages are fine.
 
Fledermaus said:
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah,

As the goalposts move.

No one was held accountable when the US massacred staff and patients in a direct attack against the Doctors Without Borders Kunduz Trauma Centre and lied about it.

Yes they were.

Please fail again.
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None of what you described is accountability. Last time I checked, if you commit a mass murder you don’t get to walk away with counseling and a letter of reprimand from the State. Neither should the military.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Fledermaus has already shown this accusation to be untrue. You fancy yourself as nimble [and willing] enough to defend Russia.

So then, demonstrate that any Russian pilot has been held accountable for the bombing of 23 hospitals in Idlib province since the new Syria offensive commenced.

Citations with links please. Russian language pages are fine.
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What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. The US military does whatever the hell it wants so don’t expect Russia or Syria to do any different.
 
Napoleon said:
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. The US military does whatever the hell it wants so don’t expect Russia or Syria to do any different.
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Supply me with RF disciplinary hearings of Russian pilots in Syria. Russian language sources are fine.
 
Napoleon said:
No. Counseling sessions is not discipline for a war crime so you get nothing.
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So you can't. You just pull some false equivalence bs out of your posterior.
 
Rogue Valley said:
So you can't. You just pull some false equivalence bs out of your posterior.
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No, I’m telling you that I am not providing you with jack because no one in the US military was disciplined for the war crime that it refused to acknowledge had even occurred.
 
Napoleon said:
No, I’m telling you that I am not providing you with jack because no one in the US military was disciplined for the war crime that it refused to acknowledge had even occurred.
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Tries to make a case without even one iota of backing material. Pretty pathetic.
 
Rogue Valley said:
I don't ignore information, I am not privy to all the information and neither are you. Stop pretending to be a military savant because you are not. Not by a long shot.

In addition, you are a Russia supporter with pro-Russia baggage and bias.
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In another thread in middle east you posted something even mentioning hts running idlib, so I know you are full aware of them, you are just putting your hate of russia above human lives by wanting bloodthirsty terrorist to keep running the area instead of assad or putin.
 
beerftw said:
In another thread in middle east you posted something even mentioning hts running idlib, so I know you are full aware of them, you are just putting your hate of russia above human lives by wanting bloodthirsty terrorist to keep running the area instead of assad or putin.
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I wouldn't believe you if my life depended on it. Dig up the supposed quote and link to it.
 
beerftw said:
In another thread in middle east you posted something even mentioning hts running idlib, so I know you are full aware of them, you are just putting your hate of russia above human lives by wanting bloodthirsty terrorist to keep running the area instead of assad or putin.
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To perfectly honest, is there any difference between Putin, Assad, or the terrorists?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
To perfectly honest, is there any difference between Putin, Assad, or the terrorists?
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Quite literally yes there is, assad has tried to minimize casualties as has russia and turkey and iran, groups like hts and their former groups sought to maximise civilian casualties as a media war rather than a conventional war, they even attack civilian and military positions knowing no sane govt will stand idly by and let it happen, then try and use the media to paint the ones retaliating as starting the aggression and painting the ones who started the aggression as angels being slaughtered for no reason conveniently leaving out what hts has done.

Russia also has the biggest anti terrorist stance of any govt on earth, they denounce terrorism everywhere, and make no exceptions which they have held that stance since the whole school hostage situation in which many died from chechnyan terrorists.

Edit: russia screwed this up badly but it shows where their strong anti terrorist logic comes from
Beslan school siege - Wikipedia
 
beerftw said:
Quite literally yes there is, assad has tried to minimize casualties as has russia and turkey and iran, groups like hts and their former groups sought to maximise civilian casualties as a media war rather than a conventional war, they even attack civilian and military positions knowing no sane govt will stand idly by and let it happen, then try and use the media to paint the ones retaliating as starting the aggression and painting the ones who started the aggression as angels being slaughtered for no reason conveniently leaving out what hts has done.

Russia also has the biggest anti terrorist stance of any govt on earth, they denounce terrorism everywhere, and make no exceptions which they have held that stance since the whole school hostage situation in which many died from chechnyan terrorists.

Edit: russia screwed this up badly but it shows where their strong anti terrorist logic comes from
Beslan school siege - Wikipedia
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Oh I am not talking about Russia’s position on terrorism, Russia can oppose all the terrorists on planet earth and my statement remains the same.

Getting rid of the terrorists in the town only results in removing one tyrannical regime and replacing it another tyrannical regime, be it Assad or Putin.
 
beerftw said:
Quite literally yes there is, assad has tried to minimize casualties as has russia and turkey and iran
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This lie should tell everyone all they need to know. An apologist for at least three dictatorial regimes.
 
Rogue Valley said:
This lie should tell everyone all they need to know. An apologist for at least three dictatorial regimes.
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Says the guy who tried to justify raqqa as a good thing despite the us nearly reaching the definition of carpet bombing and killing in a higher ratio in that single campaign.
 
You know, when there's so much disinformation being peddled by both sides of the ideological spectrum, it almost makes you wonder if it is the ideological spectrum itself - and the way it was intentionally designed - that is the problem, as opposed to "THEIR side" or "THIS side" or "THAT side", etc.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Oh I am not talking about Russia’s position on terrorism, Russia can oppose all the terrorists on planet earth and my statement remains the same.

Getting rid of the terrorists in the town only results in removing one tyrannical regime and replacing it another tyrannical regime, be it Assad or Putin.
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Not quite, as assad kept relative peace in the country until the civil war that was backed more by outsiders than anyone. Hts is one of those groups who would behead people for being gay, being shia instead of sunni, or not being sunni enough, they are basically a slightly milder version of isis, almost same ideals just not as aggressive in their search for territory.
 
beerftw said:
Says the guy who tried to justify raqqa as a good thing despite the us nearly reaching the definition of carpet bombing and killing in a higher ratio in that single campaign.
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Says the guy that ignored the fact that Syrians called in the Raqqa airstrikes... Calling the shots: The Syrians behind air attacks on Raqqa

You ignore facts and always resort to the Trumpian "alternative truths" you cling to.

It's also apparent to everyone that you support a triumvirate of dictators ... Putin, Assad, and Erdogan.
 
beerftw said:
Not quite, as assad kept relative peace in the country until the civil war that was backed more by outsiders than anyone. Hts is one of those groups who would behead people for being gay, being shia instead of sunni, or not being sunni enough, they are basically a slightly milder version of isis, almost same ideals just not as aggressive in their search for territory.
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I never heard of HTS until now and I will never support terrorist regime.

On the other hand, I will never support Assad because he is a tyrant. How can I support someone who is unwilling to allow the existence of political opposition or hold legitimate elections?
 
I feel from your pseudo-thread that the Syrian army fighting group of pacific Gandhi followers, not Al-Qaeda armed terrorist. The opposition gangs killing Syrian civilian for years, but Mainstream media don't talk about it. Your thread is cheap propaganda no more.
 
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