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Islamist in the Service of the American Empire

Do you agree that the American intervention in Iraq is the reason for the emergence of ISIS?

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stan1990 said:
The 2006 election in Palestine was democratic and transparent and was recognized by the international community. Palestinian people elected Hamas, would this make them all terrorists? Hamas is a terrorist organization sponsored by the terrorist state in order to balance power with secular Fateh movement.
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Holy cow... you support terrorists? ISIS is the USA's fault. Hamas is a legitimate government? What the **** is wrong with you?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Holy cow... you support terrorists? ISIS is the USA's fault. Hamas is a legitimate government? What the **** is wrong with you?
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You are so cheap and bully. Read my comment carefully. The international community recognize the 2006 election in Palestine as legitimate, not me. You shouldn't be using this style, it's very exposed. And stop supporting ISIS and Al-Qaeda in Syria.
 
Fledermaus said:
Democrat and transparent election OF A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.

And TERRORISTS counterbalancing TERRORISTS isnt a good thing.
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It is called Democracy, did you ever hear this word before? They won people votes. I don't like Hamas anyway, they are a branch of Muslim brotherhood. However, they won an election that monitored by organizations and even Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter.
 
stan1990 said:
It is called Democracy, did you ever hear this word before? They won people votes. I don't like Hamas anyway, they are a branch of Muslim brotherhood. However, they won an election that monitored by organizations and even Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter.
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I know its democracy. And Palestinians have a right to be stupid. In this case a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION won an election that monitored by organizations and even Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter.

Why not select a NON TERRORIST group to lead them?

Or are Palestinians incapable of generating a NON TERRORIST party?
 
stan1990 said:
You are the one wrong, It happens
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Not at all. People are responsible for their own actions. ISIS could have supported a democratic movement... talked with other tribes... agreed to compromises... but they chose to fight and kill innocent people... they are responsible for themselves... you are wrong. This is simply a fact. Sorry that you can't accept this.

It is called Democracy, did you ever hear this word before? They won people votes. I don't like Hamas anyway, they are a branch of Muslim brotherhood. However, they won an election that monitored by organizations and even Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter.
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And nobody is not responsible for the Palestinians electing terrorists to lead their government either... all this does is to show who is to blame in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict as well...
 
Bodhisattva said:
Not at all. People are responsible for their own actions. ISIS could have supported a democratic movement... talked with other tribes... agreed to compromises... but they chose to fight and kill innocent people... they are responsible for themselves... you are wrong. This is simply a fact. Sorry that you can't accept this.



And nobody is not responsible for the Palestinians electing terrorists to lead their government either... all this does is to show who is to blame in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict as well...
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Let's suppose that you are right, people are responsible for their actions. Do you believe that this is applicable for American and British troops killing Iraqi civilians or bombing Iraq infrastructure? ISIS wasn't established to support the democratic movement, writing this show me how much your views is shallow. Maybe Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan should do the same?
 
Fledermaus said:
I know its democracy. And Palestinians have a right to be stupid. In this case a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION won an election that monitored by organizations and even Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter.

Why not select a NON TERRORIST group to lead them?

Or are Palestinians incapable of generating a NON TERRORIST party?
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Elections outcome can't be tailored to fit everybody being satisfied with it. It's called Democracy. The election takes place in a state client of the U.S is treated differently than the disfavored state. You can't and shouldn't dictate on people what they should do or whom they vote in an election. American has the right to be stupid voting for a businessman with no political experience at all bragging everywhere about his ability to grape women by their *****. Swedish is being stupid electing Stefan Löfven as prime minister, the welder with almost no political experience.
 
This is your third thread in which you make claims yet provide no supporting citations.
 
Rogue Valley said:
This is your third thread in which you make claims yet provide no supporting citations.
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When you disagree with thread, you ask for citation. And you still didn't answer my question, over 500 claimed undocumented, unnamed deaths in Idlib.
 
stan1990 said:
Let's suppose that you are right, people are responsible for their actions. Do you believe that this is applicable for American and British troops killing Iraqi civilians or bombing Iraq infrastructure? ISIS wasn't established to support the democratic movement, writing this show me how much your views is shallow. Maybe Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan should do the same?
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Shallow? I am not even sure you know what that term means, given the context that you have used it in. With that being observed I am not sure debating with you further has much purpose.

...and I am right. People are responsible for their own actions. This is simply a fact.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Shallow? I am not even sure you know what that term means, given the context that you have used it in. With that being observed I am not sure debating with you further has much purpose.

...and I am right. People are responsible for their own actions. This is simply a fact.
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"ISIS could have supported a democratic movement" This is quoted from your comment. I can't believe that you said or suggest that. And I don't care if people like you debate me or not. They fail to convince me with their views so they runaway writing such a comment.
 
stan1990 said:
"ISIS could have supported a democratic movement" This is quoted from your comment. I can't believe that you said or suggest that. And I don't care if people like you debate me or not. They fail to convince me with their views so they runaway writing such a comment.
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Do you believe it is a failing of Islam that a group like ISIS would get such a following?
 
stan1990 said:
And I don't care if people like you debate me or not. They fail to convince me with their views so they runaway writing such a comment.
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It is not about trying to convince you as much as it is just presenting you with facts...

"ISIS could have supported a democratic movement" This is quoted from your comment. I can't believe that you said or suggest that.
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I did not say "would" have ... I said "could" have as we are talking about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Do you understand the difference/?
 
Fledermaus said:
The US is responsible for radical Islamists?

No.

Radical Islam has appeared practically where ever there has been Islam. From Al Qaeda to Boko Haram, to the Al Shabaab, Indian Mujahideen and dozens more...

It looks like Islam is responsible for ISIS.
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wow, you must have been captain of your debate club. A single word argument of "no" wow, really convincing

The actual answer is, yes, we created islamic terrorism. And now I'll show you how you actually make an argument by providing the reasoning and arguments to support that factual claim. We spent decades propping up dictators, helped overthrow democratically elected Iranian government that lead to rise of Ayatollah and extremism in Iran, we helped Afghanistan fight Russia to suit our own needs and then just left them in the hands of warlords, which lead to the rise of the Taliban. We slap sanctions that create poor, desperate, angry people in those countries. We bomb the **** out of neighborhoods, kill so many innocent men, women and children, kiilled people's entier families, creating anger and hostility. Look at the boom of ISIS after Iraq invastion, a lot of angry people who suffered by US military action that lead to increased recruitment to ISIS. Undeniable US and West quest for cheap oil at the expense of the people of the middle east, promoting and protecting the corruption of the leaders helped create Islamic terorrism.

but of course to the simple minded, just believe "they hate us for our way of life" which is so friggen stupid. They wouldn't care about us if our country wasn't messing with their countries and their lives constantly. After 9/11 there were many Americans that were blood thirsty. What do you think people would be like if they face 9/11 on a near daily basis?

And now on cue, you will respond with some dumb one line deflection void of any actual argument.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
The actual answer is, yes, we created islamic terrorism.
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There was Islamic terrorism long before America even existed. How do you think Islamic armies wound up at the gates of Vienna? By invitation?
 
Sampson Simpson said:
wow, you must have been captain of your debate club. A single word argument of "no" wow, really convincing

The actual answer is, yes, we created islamic terrorism. And now I'll show you how you actually make an argument by providing the reasoning and arguments to support that factual claim. We spent decades propping up dictators, helped overthrow democratically elected Iranian government that lead to rise of Ayatollah and extremism in Iran, we helped Afghanistan fight Russia to suit our own needs and then just left them in the hands of warlords, which lead to the rise of the Taliban. We slap sanctions that create poor, desperate, angry people in those countries. We bomb the **** out of neighborhoods, kill so many innocent men, women and children, kiilled people's entier families, creating anger and hostility. Look at the boom of ISIS after Iraq invastion, a lot of angry people who suffered by US military action that lead to increased recruitment to ISIS. Undeniable US and West quest for cheap oil at the expense of the people of the middle east, promoting and protecting the corruption of the leaders helped create Islamic terorrism.

but of course to the simple minded, just believe "they hate us for our way of life" which is so friggen stupid. They wouldn't care about us if our country wasn't messing with their countries and their lives constantly. After 9/11 there were many Americans that were blood thirsty. What do you think people would be like if they face 9/11 on a near daily basis?

And now on cue, you will respond with some dumb one line deflection void of any actual argument.
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The real answer is "No" we didn't create Islamic terrorism.

You will note that Iran did not breed Islamic terrorism against the US. Hatred yes. Distrust, yes.

Nor were the Taliban an American creation. The Taliban was created out of the Afghan Civil War. Afghan on Afghan. The seeds were sown long before US intervention and will likely remain long after.

And people die in wars. It sucks. But it happens. We bombed Germany, Italy, France, the Netherlands, Belgium, Japan, etc.,. Struck their neighborhoods, killed so many innocent men, women and children, killed people's entire families, creating anger and hostility. When did the last Dutch Terrorist bomb a train or fly an airliner into buildings.... Have you seen a Belgian suicide bomber recently?

The rest of your nonsense is rejected.
 
Bodhisattva said:
It is not about trying to convince you as much as it is just presenting you with facts...



I did not say "would" have ... I said "could" have as we are talking about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Do you understand the difference/?
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The way you understand the word facts is different than me. I represent views supportive for the legitimate country, a member of the UN. The facts you are representing is supportive of Al-Qaeda, a group of drug addicts bandits. ISIS can support the democratic movement, Are you kidding me? playing with the words won't help your argument.
 
stan1990 said:
The facts you are representing is supportive of Al-Qaeda, a group of drug addicts bandits. .
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Was it alcohol or drugs that lead you to this conclusion?

ISIS can support the democratic movement, Are you kidding me?
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ISIS can stop beheading people if they want to and they could have and can support democracy if they want to... they have a choice and that is what personal responsibility is all about. Nobody forced Japan to attack the USA and nobody forced ISIS to raise an army and slaughter innocent people. Those are FACTS.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
wow, you must have been captain of your debate club. A single word argument of "no" wow, really convincing

The actual answer is, yes, we created islamic terrorism. And now I'll show you how you actually make an argument by providing the reasoning and arguments to support that factual claim. We spent decades propping up dictators, helped overthrow democratically elected Iranian government that lead to rise of Ayatollah and extremism in Iran, we helped Afghanistan fight Russia to suit our own needs and then just left them in the hands of warlords, which lead to the rise of the Taliban. We slap sanctions that create poor, desperate, angry people in those countries. We bomb the **** out of neighborhoods, kill so many innocent men, women and children, kiilled people's entier families, creating anger and hostility. Look at the boom of ISIS after Iraq invastion, a lot of angry people who suffered by US military action that lead to increased recruitment to ISIS. Undeniable US and West quest for cheap oil at the expense of the people of the middle east, promoting and protecting the corruption of the leaders helped create Islamic terorrism.

but of course to the simple minded, just believe "they hate us for our way of life" which is so friggen stupid. They wouldn't care about us if our country wasn't messing with their countries and their lives constantly. After 9/11 there were many Americans that were blood thirsty. What do you think people would be like if they face 9/11 on a near daily basis?

And now on cue, you will respond with some dumb one line deflection void of any actual argument.
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What a titanic load of ****.

First and foremost, countries in the Middle East don’t “experience a 9/11 on a daily basis”. For many, such as women and the Hazara in Afghanistan, they are better off than they were in decades.

Operation Ajax is utterly irrelevant; groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS don’t give a **** about what happened in Iran in 1953. The rest of your post is nothing more than shrill posturing that fails to take any sort of reality into account.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Was it alcohol or drugs that lead you to this conclusion?



ISIS can stop beheading people if they want to and they could have and can support democracy if they want to... they have a choice and that is what personal responsibility is all about. Nobody forced Japan to attack the USA and nobody forced ISIS to raise an army and slaughter innocent people. Those are FACTS.
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ISIS can't and won't support any democratic movement. They weren't established to do such a thing. Their sponsors and founders didn't create them to support democracy. I should accuse you of being on drugs. Your comments aren't making sense at all.
 
stan1990 said:
ISIS can't and won't support any democratic movement. They weren't established to do such a thing. Their sponsors and founders didn't create them to support democracy. I should accuse you of being on drugs. Your comments aren't making sense at all.
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Who exactly would that be?
 
stan1990 said:
Your comments aren't making sense at all.
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Only to a person that has no concept of what a CHOICE means... ("an act of choosing between two or more possibilities")

ISIS can't and won't support any democratic movement. They weren't established to do such a thing. Their sponsors and founders didn't create them to support democracy.
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Those that started ISIS "COULD" have chosen to go the Democratic route. They CHOSE not to go that route and CHOSE the other possibility, Terrorism.

I should accuse you of being on drugs.
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I should accuse you of being uneducated, literally. Choice is a basic concept that parents and teachers teach little children. You can take a cookie without permission and face a consequence or you can CHOOSE to not take the cookie and get a reward.
 
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