Iran tensions

Rogue Valley said:

Citations please.

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You won't find citations. Not anywhere. Not everything is on the net, or if references exist, easily found. Yet, no doubt you accept Israel's nuclear armament.

Suspicions of Saudi nuclear armament were mentioned last summer in the European media, citing Al Jazeera reporting. Then fell off the earth. As a single Israeli aircraft was sited over the sparsely populated northwestern Iran, a small earthquake rattled people from their early morning beds 3 or 4 years ago, a region where earthquakes haven't struck for thousands of years. The Iranian government claimed Israeli propaganda about an event from Allah. No doubt they believe their own prevarications. The Israelis had warned of a small demonstration. American military intelligence were shocked by precise limited seismologic reports in a region suspected of housing a hidden centrifugal factory for refining uranium and other heavy metals. The Saudis said "Kewl." Then announced it had approved of Israeli use of Saudi airspace.

OldFatGuy said:

You won't find citations. Not anywhere. Not everything is on the net, or if references exist, easily found.

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I see. The Kingdom is now a nuclear armed nation but no journalists or governments, neither north nor south, east nor west, can scrape together enough [even circumstantial] evidence to make that case.

Neither does the UN/IAEA/FAS have any such inkling. Yet somehow, you know a secret that no one else knows. Very convenient OFG.

Rogue Valley said:

I see. The Kingdom is now a nuclear armed nation but no journalists or governments, neither north nor south, east nor west, can scrape together enough [even circumstantial] evidence to make that case.

Neither does the UN/IAEA/FAS have any such inkling. Yet somehow, you know a secret that no one else knows. Very convenient OFG.

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When an action is not well publicized in the media, does that mean it hasn't occurred? Or a lack of knowledge on the part of so called authority entities?

Once again, what makes you accept nuclear armament by Israel? Unsubstantiated rumors? Or something else?

Right now, today, there are 4 cases of blackworm disease, highly contagious, in isolation ICU at NY Cornell Columbia Presbyterian. A fifth patient died two days ago. If it signifies a breakout, millions could be endangered. You've seen nothing in the media. Why not? Blackworm disease is another name for the Bubonic Plague. The Bubonic Plague in a city that has more rats than people? How could it be?

The media has limitations, self imposed, for what it chooses to report. Sometimes not self imposed.

These are not secrets as you suggest, nor am I the only one who is aware. If you look carefully, beyond the superficial, you can find I am correct.

During the late 1950's through the 1960's, the US Military flirted with weaponization of sound. Military research companies, searching for new weapons and income sources, actively experimented with prototypes. Articles and editorials appeared in Time, Life, Newsweek, Technology Today and other magazines. Some claimed it was science fiction, others a worthwhile path. Not a major topic for any. The efforts were abandoned for lack of controlling technology and concentrated effect. Two of the key physicists involved, both working for private companies long out of business, not subject to security classifications for any of the data, migrated to Israel. There are some superb Russian papers on the manipulation of geoproperties with sound waves.

OldFatGuy said:

When an action is not well publicized in the media, does that mean it hasn't occurred? Or a lack of knowledge on the part of so called authority entities?

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Yet somehow you are privy to this information.

The French lent their nuclear expertise to Israel's nuclear energy program. de Gaulle also cut off all such reactor assistance after Paris realized Jerusalem was working on a nuclear weapon.

There is no similar correlation regarding Saudi Arabia. Show us a picture of a Saudi ballistic missile silo, or a mobile launch vehicle, or a sat image of KSA nuclear storage bunkers in the desert.

You can't just posit that you know something remarkable and expect folks to believe it without providing a scintilla of material evidence.

Rogue Valley said:

Yet somehow you are privy to this information.

The French lent their nuclear expertise to Israel's nuclear energy program. de Gaulle also cut off all such reactor assistance after Paris realized Jerusalem was working on a nuclear weapon.

There is no similar correlation regarding Saudi Arabia. Show us a picture of a Saudi ballistic missile silo, or a mobile launch vehicle, or a sat image of KSA nuclear storage bunkers in the desert.

You can't just posit that you know something remarkable and expect folks to believe it without providing a scintilla of material evidence.

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I hope I'm mistaken. However, silos are no longer need to launch ballistic missiles, an F35 will do the delivery trick for more modern compact payloads. Nor is the F35 the only method in the Saudi repertoire. You don't seriously accept that the Saudis sat on their duffs while Iran armed itself? Pakistan is not a Shia nation. It needs money, not religious alliances with the enemy. Million of fascistic Hindi of the outlawed Nationalist Party are waiting for an excuse.

That was a rumor about the French, never verified. The only reason France sold Mirage fighters and other armaments to Israel, France needed the cash. It was fighting two wars, one in SE Asia, the other in Algeria. When Israel refused support for the French in Algeria, France withdrew all support for Israeli military and technology purchases. Israel started negotiating with Russia for military purchases and the US, fearful of a Russian foothold in the mideast jumped in to fill the French vacuum. Less we forget, the primary physicists in France were surviving Viennese Jews, who later migrated to Israel. Like the English, the French never loved their Jews. The Francs were a germanic tribe. The English royal family had to abandon its germanic last name. What twisted webs we humans weave.

Rogue Valley said:

Yet somehow you are privy to this information.

The French lent their nuclear expertise to Israel's nuclear energy program. de Gaulle also cut off all such reactor assistance after Paris realized Jerusalem was working on a nuclear weapon.

There is no similar correlation regarding Saudi Arabia. Show us a picture of a Saudi ballistic missile silo, or a mobile launch vehicle, or a sat image of KSA nuclear storage bunkers in the desert.

You can't just posit that you know something remarkable and expect folks to believe it without providing a scintilla of material evidence.

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Here is something that I found.

Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and the Bomb

devildavid said:

Here is something that I found.

Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and the Bomb

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Here is a perspective that the conflict with Iran, has a history of being manageable;


"For the past three decades, the United States and Iran have been engaged in an unacknowledged secret war. This conflict has frustrated five American presidents, divided administrations, and repeatedly threatened to bring the two nations to the brink of open warfare. Drawing upon unparalleled access to senior officials and key documents of several U.S. administrations, David Crist, a senior historian in ,,,"


https://www.amazon.com/Twilight-War-Americas-Thirty-Year-Conflict/dp/014312367X



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devildavid said:

Here is something that I found.

Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and the Bomb

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That's nothing new. I posted this story in the DP General Political Discussion in March.

OldFatGuy said:

I hope I'm mistaken. However, silos are no longer need to launch ballistic missiles, an F35 will do the delivery trick for more modern compact payloads. Nor is the F35 the only method in the Saudi repertoire. You don't seriously accept that the Saudis sat on their duffs while Iran armed itself? Pakistan is not a Shia nation. It needs money, not religious alliances with the enemy. Million of fascistic Hindi of the outlawed Nationalist Party are waiting for an excuse.

That was a rumor about the French, never verified. The only reason France sold Mirage fighters and other armaments to Israel, France needed the cash. It was fighting two wars, one in SE Asia, the other in Algeria. When Israel refused support for the French in Algeria, France withdrew all support for Israeli military and technology purchases. Israel started negotiating with Russia for military purchases and the US, fearful of a Russian foothold in the mideast jumped in to fill the French vacuum. Less we forget, the primary physicists in France were surviving Viennese Jews, who later migrated to Israel. Like the English, the French never loved their Jews. The Francs were a germanic tribe. The English royal family had to abandon its germanic last name. What twisted webs we humans weave.

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So, you can't show me a scintilla of demonstrative hard evidence. Just opinion. I don't operate on unsubstantiated opinion and what-if scenarios.

Until I see an iota of believable evidence from a solid state/journalistic source, I'll just have to keep 'the possibility' of a nuclear-armed KSA in mind.

Rogue Valley said:

So, you can't show me a scintilla of demonstrative hard evidence. Just opinion. I don't operate on unsubstantiated opinion and what-if scenarios.

Until I see an iota of believable evidence from a solid state/journalistic source, I'll just have to keep 'the possibility' of a nuclear-armed KSA in mind.

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There are no real facts, only opinions as we dig through the layers of what we call truth.

OldFatGuy said:

There are no real facts, only opinions as we dig through the layers of what we call truth.

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There are facts. Either Pakistan did or didn't deliver nuclear weapons to Saudi Arabia. If you have any solid evidence of this you could present it or state how you obtained it. You stated it as if it was factual. Present the evidence or how you obtained it or admit it is pure speculation on your part. Although your post is quite telling.

devildavid said:

There are facts. Either Pakistan did or didn't deliver nuclear weapons to Saudi Arabia. If you have any solid evidence of this you could present it or state how you obtained it. You stated it as if it was factual. Present the evidence or how you obtained it or admit it is pure speculation on your part. Although your post is quite telling.

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Your insecurities are noted.

OldFatGuy said:

Your insecurities are noted.

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What insecurities?