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About the Middle East refugee crisis

Do you agree that Western intervention in the Middle East is the reason for the refugee crisis?


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stan1990

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The focus of analysts and observers of the Arab Spring phenomena, which resulted in the biggest refugee crisis since the Second World War, were about politics. On the ground, political factors played a secondary role, especially in the media, misleading the public opinion about the real motives of the crisis that led the region to social unrest and instability. The recent refugee crisis was rooted in economic factors, including fluctuations in oil prices, rising commodity prices especially grain, Western military intervention in the Arab world, Africa and Asia, and finally globalization and free trade agreements.

The sharp rise in the oil prices to $ 100 / barrel and above is a nightmare for countries that rely on fossil fuel as a major source of energy. It means a higher energy bill for countries such as Tunisia or Egypt, leading to a swelling budget deficit that grows year after year. Besides, the energy bill will consume vital resources governments can allocate for education, health and infrastructure.

The rise in oil prices has contributed to the increase in transportation costs, and thus the rise in the prices of other commodities such as grain. As a result, the low-income and the poor will face more challenges in affording even their subsidy. The allocation of agricultural land in countries such as Brazil or the United States in the cultivation of maize, sugarcane and soybeans for producing biofuels (ethanol-85), feeding livestock and poultry have made the provision of grain to feed the growing population is Difficult.

Western intervention in the Middle East, Asia and Africa contributed to the instability in countries that are already suffering from chronic crises. This intervention is responsible for the intricate situation of these countries. The Arab Spring and civil wars led to the fall of regimes in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and the failure of those attempts in Syria and Morocco because of the flexibility of political systems on the one hand, and the balance of the internal structure of those countries on the other. Since the end of the Cold War, all attempts of Western intervention in the world affairs failed to bring about any positive change. These attempts haven't been in the interest of the people of those countries, where the Western military machine objects have been to divide and control. On the contrary, Western intervention resulted in the emergence of organizations such as al-Qaeda, which later evolved into ISIS. The motives of intervention are related to the oil and Gas, and not to human rights which used only as a pretext. spangling terms are used by the international organization to defend the views of Western governments that violate human rights on a systematic scale.

Food security in the third world countries is at risk because of the integration of the agricultural sector into the globalization and free trade. The United States and European countries have flooded third world countries markets with cheap agricultural products, which has damaged the local agricultural sector that unable to compete. The United States and European countries are providing support to agro-enterprises, where industrial agriculture prevails, giant corporations with large capital, government subsidies through tax breaks, and the purchase of surplus productions. At the same time, the terms of the free trade agreements ​​with various African and Asian countries prohibited their governments from providing any support for local farmers.

All of these factors produced a crisis for local populations which forced to leave their homeland because of armed conflicts aimed to control and plunder resources. The humanitarian motives used by the West as an excuse to intervene in countries such as Libya and Syria are absent when it comes to civil wars in countries such as Congo, where more than four million Congolese have fallen victim to a conflict of ethnic and sectarian wars. The republic of Congo was a target for transnational corporations competing for natural resources funding their own warlords and armed militia.

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40% + of Us grain and a similar amount of EU food is converted into fuel. This is at no CO2 benefit. International food is brought for this purpose, the largest single user of grain in the UK is a plant buying Russian grain for biofuel.

If this stopped today food prices would halve or there abouts.

For almost half the people in the world who live on less than $2.50 a day this represents a massive reduction in life expectancy and possibility of development. Life expectancy for these people is n the 40's. If the use of biofuel ended it would be around 60.

This is causing 20 million unnecessary deaths (my guess) per year. It has been happening for 15 years or more.

Why is it strange that people would want to leave the place where people starve to where you can live off the food in the bins?
 
The focus of analysts and observers of the Arab Spring phenomena, which resulted in the biggest refugee crisis since the Second World War, were about politics. On the ground, political factors played a secondary role, especially in the media, misleading the public opinion about the real motives of the crisis that led the region to social unrest and instability. The recent refugee crisis was rooted in economic factors, including fluctuations in oil prices, rising commodity prices especially grain, Western military intervention in the Arab world, Africa and Asia, and finally globalization and free trade agreements.

The sharp rise in the oil prices to $ 100 / barrel and above is a nightmare for countries that rely on fossil fuel as a major source of energy. It means a higher energy bill for countries such as Tunisia or Egypt, leading to a swelling budget deficit that grows year after year. Besides, the energy bill will consume vital resources governments can allocate for education, health and infrastructure.

The rise in oil prices has contributed to the increase in transportation costs, and thus the rise in the prices of other commodities such as grain. As a result, the low-income and the poor will face more challenges in affording even their subsidy. The allocation of agricultural land in countries such as Brazil or the United States in the cultivation of maize, sugarcane and soybeans for producing biofuels (ethanol-85), feeding livestock and poultry have made the provision of grain to feed the growing population is Difficult.

Western intervention in the Middle East, Asia and Africa contributed to the instability in countries that are already suffering from chronic crises. This intervention is responsible for the intricate situation of these countries. The Arab Spring and civil wars led to the fall of regimes in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and the failure of those attempts in Syria and Morocco because of the flexibility of political systems on the one hand, and the balance of the internal structure of those countries on the other. Since the end of the Cold War, all attempts of Western intervention in the world affairs failed to bring about any positive change. These attempts haven't been in the interest of the people of those countries, where the Western military machine objects have been to divide and control. On the contrary, Western intervention resulted in the emergence of organizations such as al-Qaeda, which later evolved into ISIS. The motives of intervention are related to the oil and Gas, and not to human rights which used only as a pretext. spangling terms are used by the international organization to defend the views of Western governments that violate human rights on a systematic scale.

Food security in the third world countries is at risk because of the integration of the agricultural sector into the globalization and free trade. The United States and European countries have flooded third world countries markets with cheap agricultural products, which has damaged the local agricultural sector that unable to compete. The United States and European countries are providing support to agro-enterprises, where industrial agriculture prevails, giant corporations with large capital, government subsidies through tax breaks, and the purchase of surplus productions. At the same time, the terms of the free trade agreements ​​with various African and Asian countries prohibited their governments from providing any support for local farmers.

All of these factors produced a crisis for local populations which forced to leave their homeland because of armed conflicts aimed to control and plunder resources. The humanitarian motives used by the West as an excuse to intervene in countries such as Libya and Syria are absent when it comes to civil wars in countries such as Congo, where more than four million Congolese have fallen victim to a conflict of ethnic and sectarian wars. The republic of Congo was a target for transnational corporations competing for natural resources funding their own warlords and armed militia.

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First sentence... ARAB SPRING.
 
The crisis is because the EU opened its doors to invaders claiming it for humanitarian reasons, when if fact SJWism has resulted in white Europeans basically sterilizing themselves and not having children. They want the migrants for workers to serve them, hoping they will adopt European values when in fact they don't.

The fully predictable result is the uneducated, racist, bigoted, xenophobic, anti-gay, anti-Western, sexist Muslims are at diametric odds with white European secular atheists. Being more militant and willing to be violent plus having over double the birth rate, the Muslims will win in the long run.

For example, Germany's white population will be cut by 50% each generation, while the Muslim population will more than double each generation. It takes only the most simple math to recognize that Germany is destined to be Muslim state merely by demographics - nor does it take a majority to fully take over a country.
 
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40% + of Us grain and a similar amount of EU food is converted into fuel. This is at no CO2 benefit. International food is brought for this purpose, the largest single user of grain in the UK is a plant buying Russian grain for biofuel.

If this stopped today food prices would halve or there abouts.

For almost half the people in the world who live on less than $2.50 a day this represents a massive reduction in life expectancy and possibility of development. Life expectancy for these people is n the 40's. If the use of biofuel ended it would be around 60.

This is causing 20 million unnecessary deaths (my guess) per year. It has been happening for 15 years or more.

Why is it strange that people would want to leave the place where people starve to where you can live off the food in the bins?

Good comment
 
The crisis is because the EU opened its doors to invaders claiming it for humanitarian reasons, when if fact SJWism has resulted in white Europeans basically sterilizing themselves and not having children. They want the migrants for workers to serve them, hoping they will adopt European values when in fact they don't.

The fully predictable result is the uneducated, racist, bigoted, xenophobic, anti-gay, anti-Western, sexist Muslims are at diametric odds with white European secular atheists. Being more militant and willing to be violent plus having over double the birth rate, the Muslims will win in the long run.

For example, Germany's white population will be cut by 50% each generation, while the Muslim population will more than double each generation. It takes only the most simple math to recognize that Germany is destined to be Muslim state merely by demographics - nor does it take a majority to fully take over a country.

Good comment. I agree with you
 
Really???!!!

Arab Spring =/= Western nations.

So, we now have the claim the White Helmets are packing up and trucking this poor girl around from event to event. And always in the exact same shirt. And in the exact same pants. And the same hair. And the same unshod feet. The same dust even....

stan1990, where and when were the different locations/events?
 
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Western intervention in the Middle East.....

Pretty convenient how you neglect to mention how Assad's chemical attacks and Russian saturation bombing in Syria contributed to ME refugees.

You do know that most ME refugees are Syrians right?
 
Pretty convenient how you neglect to mention how Assad's chemical attacks and Russian saturation bombing in Syria contributed to ME refugees.

You do know that most ME refugees are Syrians right?

Your comment is a typical one written on behalf of a prepaid agent of the Western media establishment. Refugee camps in Turkey established since before demonstrations started in Syria. Any explanations. And then, the story of WMD. I think I heard this story before, in Iraq maybe. Why you blame the Syrian regime but not the rebels and their supporters? What do you expect the reaction of any regime faced with armed insurgency? Your comment is naive and shallow.
 
Your comment is a typical one written on behalf of a prepaid agent of the Western media establishment. Refugee camps in Turkey established since before demonstrations started in Syria. Any explanations. And then, the story of WMD. I think I heard this story before, in Iraq maybe. Why you blame the Syrian regime but not the rebels and their supporters? What do you expect the reaction of any regime faced with armed insurgency? Your comment is naive and shallow.

TRANSLATION: The comment is spot on accurate and you have nothing intelligent to say about it.
 
Some facts and charts to inform this discussion:

9 maps and charts that explain the global refugee crisis - Vox

The crisis has been magnified by the decision to count internally displaced persons (IDPs) as refugees when they are not. Of the 63.1 million "refugees" around the world only about 18 million are actually refugees who have fled their own countries for whatever reasons they have. In order be a true refugee you must have left your country. The balance of the 63.1 million are internally displaced persons which were never counted as refugees in the past. So to compare the number of "refugees" today with the number of refugees of the past is deceiving as IDPs were never counted in those past numbers.

Another myth is that Europe is being swamped by Muslim refugees from the Middle East. Despite the hype most of those coming to Europe are actually economic migrants and not legitimate refugees. These migrants are taking advantage of collapsed states like many regimes in Africa to use non-state criminal,organisations in order to travel to Europe. The Western policies which have led to the break-down of states in Africa and the Middle East has increased refugee movements but has ballooned economic migration far more.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Some facts and charts to inform this discussion:

9 maps and charts that explain the global refugee crisis - Vox

The crisis has been magnified by the decision to count internally displaced persons (IDPs) as refugees when they are not. Of the 63.1 million "refugees" around the world only about 18 million are actually refugees who have fled their own countries for whatever reasons they have. In order be a true refugee you must have left your country. The balance of the 63.1 million are internally displaced persons which were never counted as refugees in the past. So to compare the number of "refugees" today with the number of refugees of the past is deceiving as IDPs were never counted in those past numbers.

Another myth is that Europe is being swamped by Muslim refugees from the Middle East. Despite the hype most of those coming to Europe are actually economic migrants and not legitimate refugees. These migrants are taking advantage of collapsed states like many regimes in Africa to use non-state criminal,organisations in order to travel to Europe. The Western policies which have led to the break-down of states in Africa and the Middle East has increased refugee movements but has ballooned economic migration far more.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

I agree with you
Thanks for your comment
 

We now have the claim the White Helmets are packing up and trucking this poor girl around from event to event. And always in the exact same shirt. And in the exact same pants. And the same hair. And the same unshod feet. The same dust even....

stan1990, where and when were the different locations/events?
 
We now have the claim the White Helmets are packing up and trucking this poor girl around from event to event. And always in the exact same shirt. And in the exact same pants. And the same hair. And the same unshod feet. The same dust even....

stan1990, where and when were the different locations/events?

Review my replies to find the answer
 
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