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U.S. House Passes Bill 411-1 to Define Criticism of Israel as 'Antisemitic'

So review what the envoy position has entailed in the past, especially during Obama's first term; it was held by an individual who has spent her entire life working in the murky world of Jewish 'non-profits', of which there are more than can be named in one post. She mandated to the State dept a new definition of antisemitism, which is actually very old at this point, dating back to the early 1970's, when rabid Zio-Americans published a book claiming they'd discovered 'New Antisemitism'. This 'new' discovery was and is just a tacky attempt to mislabel people who aren't antisemitic as such, if they criticize Israel.

By having the envoy position elevated to ambassador status which requires Trump to fill the position in 90 days, Congress is mandating another Jewish Interests Czar to crack down on dissent.

Still waiting for the "punishments".
 
We're increasingly moving in a direction where First Amendment rights don't apply to speech concerning Israel. States have begun inserting this crap into law, and the Israel lobby sees this as one of their chief objectives. The MSM is currently working on convincing people that using the term 'globalism' in a negative context is antisemitism. How many more controls over your life and liberty are you willing to hand over to these people?

That bill is meaningless and doesn't run counter to the first amendment.

How exactly does this infringe on anyone's life and liberty?
 
A $124,000 (up to $187,000) job in an ambassadorial position but essentially a figure head. Feel good window dressing.

Could be an ice-breaker for future such admonishments and then law...in the US.

Unlikely, most of these ideas applied to law would be unconstitutional.
 

Also left off of your time line is that after the air strikes were called off the torpedo boats approached but did not attack the USS Liberty at approximately 1420....

Only to be fired on by .50 Cal Mounts 51 and 53... They did damage to the center Torpedo Boat.

Only then were the torpedoes launched and cannon fire initiated.

Hmmm

Now why would anyone leave that out of an otherwise detailed time line?
 
Not sure if I'll get a good answer to this in this thread, as focus seems to have already shifted away from the OP, but why define a role specifically for the defense of the Jews? Do any other demographics have a role assigned just for them? Is there an equivalent for Muslims, for example?

If not....why?
 
Not sure if I'll get a good answer to this in this thread, as focus seems to have already shifted away from the OP, but why define a role specifically for the defense of the Jews? Do any other demographics have a role assigned just for them? Is there an equivalent for Muslims, for example?

If not....why?

Historically the Jews have been the whipping boys of the western world since the time of Jesus....

The anti Muslim mindset I would argue is just as prevalent now as anti Jew.

Perhaps this would be a good thing for the new Muslim (name escapes me) in the Legislature to take up.
 
Historically the Jews have been the whipping boys of the western world since the time of Jesus....

The anti Muslim mindset I would argue is just as prevalent now as anti Jew.

Perhaps this would be a good thing for the new Muslim (name escapes me) in the Legislature to take up.

So there are no other specific appointments to combat marginalization of any other demographic in America? Surely there must be an appointed envoy for women, or black folks, or indigenous folks? I mean, those have all been better examples of "whipping boys" in America.

I guess I'm just trying to understand why they need their own. I agree with the position, I think every marginalized group should have someone looking to end that marginalization...but unless it's the same person / agency / program that covers them, how do you avoid inequalities among competing programs?

(Still not debating, just trying to understand)
 
So there are no other specific appointments to combat marginalization of any other demographic in America? Surely there must be an appointed envoy for women, or black folks, or indigenous folks? I mean, those have all been better examples of "whipping boys" in America.

I guess I'm just trying to understand why they need their own. I agree with the position, I think every marginalized group should have someone looking to end that marginalization...but unless it's the same person / agency / program that covers them, how do you avoid inequalities among competing programs?

(Still not debating, just trying to understand)

Simply put... The Jews/Israel have engaged the time, money and sweat to get someone appointed.
 
You mean the version that multiple investigations found to be true?

Friendly Fire is as deadly as Enemy fire.

An American ship that wasn't where it was supposed to be. Attacked by Israeli aircraft carrying weapons not designed for anti-shipping and torpedo boats that broke off when they learned the identity of the ship and radioed to ask if assistance was required or desired (aid was turned down).

The Israelis admitted to the attack (immediately upon learning it was a US ship) and paid reparations.

Your CT version is?

As evidenced by the timeline, you are totally misinformed by the DoD narrative projected by BOTS like yourself.
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Simply put... The Jews/Israel have engaged the time, money and sweat to get someone appointed.

Hmm...well, it's always good to hear about a marginalized group who have enough money to un-marginalize themselves....though it does leave one wondering how marginalized they were in the first place, if they're able to do that. Must be a different kind of marginalization. Hopefully they'll use their good fortune to lend a hand up to other marginalized groups who are so marginalized that they don't have the money required to pull themselves out.
 
Hmm...well, it's always good to hear about a marginalized group who have enough money to un-marginalize themselves....though it does leave one wondering how marginalized they were in the first place, if they're able to do that. Must be a different kind of marginalization. Hopefully they'll use their good fortune to lend a hand up to other marginalized groups who are so marginalized that they don't have the money required to pull themselves out.

Oh FFS....

If you have to "wonder" whether or not Jews and/or Israel are marginalized you might have issues I am ill prepared to address.
 
As evidenced by the timeline, you are totally misinformed by the DoD narrative projected by BOTS like yourself.
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The Captain of the ship testified to the firing of the mounts. He testified to calling cease fire. He testified as to the damage done to the torpedo boats.

Your "timeline" leaves it out because the authers, like you, deem the use of weapons by the USS Liberty prior to the torpedo attack an "inconvenient truth".

Face it.

You will gobble up anything that is posted on the web as long as it fits your CT tainted mind. Be it Russian disinformation, Syrian lies, etc.
 
Oh FFS....

If you have to "wonder" whether or not Jews and/or Israel are marginalized you might have issues I am ill prepared to address.

Did I say that? Woosh...triggered much? Certainly they are marginalized...or have been.

That said...a cheetah is slow compared to a fighter jet...but it's no snail. It's not if they are or they are not being / have been marginalized...rather, how much, and does it warrant their own government position to combat it. If so, then there are a long list of other appointments to be made. If being fair matters, I suppose.
 
Did I say that? Woosh...triggered much? Certainly they are marginalized...or have been.

That said...a cheetah is slow compared to a fighter jet...but it's no snail. It's not if they are or they are not being / have been marginalized...rather, how much, and does it warrant their own government position to combat it. If so, then there are a long list of other appointments to be made. If being fair matters, I suppose.

Triggered?

No.

Dismayed?

Yes.

You normally do not show this level of intentional ignorance on subjects such as this.
 
Triggered?

No.

Dismayed?

Yes.

You normally do not show this level of intentional ignorance on subjects such as this.

I have a problem with inequality in general....I'm very consistent on that. If you're reading anything into this, it's probably that.

And there's no "intentional ignorance" - I really don't know if other marginalized groups have an equivalent voice in government. If not, well, see above.

None of this is meant to rob Jews of that voice, by the way - rather it is to discuss whether this can be used as precedent for other marginalized groups to have a voice, or to discuss whether having a dedicated role just for Jews is appropriate, when a government body set up to fight marginalization in general would not be more efficient / fair / logical.

Are you able to walk back your knee jerk outrage long enough to discuss that part of this, or are you in full "defend the Jews" turtle mode?
 
I have a problem with inequality in general....I'm very consistent on that. If you're reading anything into this, it's probably that.

And there's no "intentional ignorance" - I really don't know if other marginalized groups have an equivalent voice in government. If not, well, see above.

None of this is meant to rob Jews of that voice, by the way - rather it is to discuss whether this can be used as precedent for other marginalized groups to have a voice, or to discuss whether having a dedicated role just for Jews is appropriate, when a government body set up to fight marginalization in general would not be more efficient / fair / logical.

Are you able to walk back your knee jerk outrage long enough to discuss that part of this, or are you in full "defend the Jews" turtle mode?

I was with you until your final paragraph...

There is no outrage nor triggering on my behalf. You assume much.

I have seen your posts in the past as thoughtful and fair minded.

In this case you appeared (to me) to be trying hard not to understand how marginalized the Jews and Israel are on the world stage.

If I misread your posts, mea culpa.
 
I was with you until your final paragraph...

There is no outrage nor triggering on my behalf. You assume much.

I have seen your posts in the past as thoughtful and fair minded.

In this case you appeared (to me) to be trying hard not to understand how marginalized the Jews and Israel are on the world stage.

If I misread your posts, mea culpa.

Ok...then everyone take a deep breath...hehe. The fact that you misread my posts might indicate that this is, indeed, a touchy subject. ;) I know you don't have to believe me when I say this, this being an anonymous debate forum, and all...but I truly do believe that everyone should be protected from marginalization. But I also don't think that the marginalized are beyond scrutiny...and outliers, negative OR positive, should be scrutinized, either to be corrected or learned from.

Anyway...I think you answered my questions, re: whether or not other marginalized groups have the same voice...I'm thinking the answer is no, lemme know if I have that wrong. I know there are advocacy groups and lobbies for other demographics, but I'm not sure they have an official spot on the staff. Would that be correct?
 
Ok...then everyone take a deep breath...hehe. The fact that you misread my posts might indicate that this is, indeed, a touchy subject. ;) I know you don't have to believe me when I say this, this being an anonymous debate forum, and all...but I truly do believe that everyone should be protected from marginalization. But I also don't think that the marginalized are beyond scrutiny...and outliers, negative OR positive, should be scrutinized, either to be corrected or learned from.

Anyway...I think you answered my questions, re: whether or not other marginalized groups have the same voice...I'm thinking the answer is no, lemme know if I have that wrong. I know there are advocacy groups and lobbies for other demographics, but I'm not sure they have an official spot on the staff. Would that be correct?

I have never heard of this position before yesterday and I do not know of others like it. It may well be unique. I suggested the new Muslim legislator propose a group to oversee what is a growing anti Muslim sentiment in the US.

For every Ying there ought to be a Yang.

Plus it would torque a lot of the KKK types.
 
I have never heard of this position before yesterday and I do not know of others like it. It may well be unique. I suggested the new Muslim legislator propose a group to oversee what is a growing anti Muslim sentiment in the US.

For every Ying there ought to be a Yang.

Plus it would torque a lot of the KKK types.

Until they get their own anti-marginalization officer... ;)

Personally I think it's a mistake. It's bad optics on the Jewish community, who are already in hot water over their government's behavior in Israel (which should not reflect on all Jews in general, especially non-Israeli Jews, but the first sign of marginalization is generalization), and sort of plays into the stereotypes that anti Semite's spread.

If I were to rule the world....lol....I would have a government agency that attempts to address all marginalized demographics, that would interface with demographical community groups on the government's behalf. This would improve the image of such a program, meaning more buy in from people in general, and wouldn't put self prioritization as a new risk to deal with among the marginalized.

Of course, if I ruled the world, everything would be perfect, sooooo…. ;)
 
Until they get their own anti-marginalization officer... ;)

Personally I think it's a mistake. It's bad optics on the Jewish community, who are already in hot water over their government's behavior in Israel (which should not reflect on all Jews in general, especially non-Israeli Jews, but the first sign of marginalization is generalization), and sort of plays into the stereotypes that anti Semite's spread.

If I were to rule the world....lol....I would have a government agency that attempts to address all marginalized demographics, that would interface with demographical community groups on the government's behalf. This would improve the image of such a program, meaning more buy in from people in general, and wouldn't put self prioritization as a new risk to deal with among the marginalized.

Of course, if I ruled the world, everything would be perfect, sooooo…. ;)

Society for Understanding the Condition of the Klan.

SUCK
 
Society for Understanding the Condition of the Klan.

SUCK

Oh, you miserable bastard, now I'm going to spend the rest of the day looking for a wittier acronym than SUCK....and I already know I won't, so feelings of failure to look forward to later. I knew it was a mistake getting into this thread..... :lol:
 
So review what the envoy position has entailed in the past, especially during Obama's first term; it was held by an individual who has spent her entire life working in the murky world of Jewish 'non-profits', of which there are more than can be named in one post. She mandated to the State dept a new definition of antisemitism, which is actually very old at this point, dating back to the early 1970's, when rabid Zio-Americans published a book claiming they'd discovered 'New Antisemitism'. This 'new' discovery was and is just a tacky attempt to mislabel people who aren't antisemitic as such, if they criticize Israel.

By having the envoy position elevated to ambassador status which requires Trump to fill the position in 90 days, Congress is mandating another Jewish Interests Czar to crack down on dissent.

:lamo

What a load of anti Semitic bullcrap......not that anyone expected anything different from the "individual" who tried to push the blood libel myth.
 
:lamo

What a load of anti Semitic bullcrap......not that anyone expected anything different from the "individual" who tried to push the blood libel myth.

No need for facts when you've got the word 'bullcrap' in your goody bag, aye Tiger?
 
No need for facts when you've got the word 'bullcrap' in your goody bag, aye Tiger?

Considering the fact that you wouldn’t know a fact if it walked right up and kicked your ass....

The fact that you post such moronic garbage and expect people to take it seriously is rather funny though.
 
Not sure if I'll get a good answer to this in this thread, as focus seems to have already shifted away from the OP, but why define a role specifically for the defense of the Jews? Do any other demographics have a role assigned just for them? Is there an equivalent for Muslims, for example?

If not....why?

OlNate:

A very good question without a politically correct answer. I look forward to all sides twisting in the wind as they attempt to answer the question. I will not answer it because the answer I would give you would contravene forum rules.

You might look up Norman Finkelstein's 2000 book: The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering it is an exhaustive study of the marketing of the Holocaust and the exploitation of the victims and survivors of the Holocaust for modern-day political reasons. A very good book from a very thorough political scientist who has been badly marginalized by American society for taking a vocal and very unpopular stand on this issue.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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