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Final solution to middle east crisis

your replay (specifically) Has aroused my curiosity.
i will be very grateful if you give me more explanation about your point of view
he isn’t calling all the shots. But told to take the fall. Maybe you are asking where all the money is going. Is that what you’re asking?
 
he isn’t calling all the shots. But told to take the fall. Maybe you are asking where all the money is going. Is that what you’re asking?

yes iam asking about the money
and also the destination that he plan to take Egypt to

and your replay contain many Expressive expressions that make it difficult for me to understand
 
My thoughts exactly. The problems of the ME can only be solved by the people who live there. All forms of outside interference (military aid and interventions) should be done away with.

If we had remained neutral in WW2 we all might be speaking Gestapo German by now. If we had not stopped Saddam Hussein at Kuwait he might just have captured the oil reserves necessary for him to control the world through the oil spigot.
 
yes iam asking about the money
and also the destination that he plan to take Egypt to

and your replay contain many Expressive expressions that make it difficult for me to understand
i need to ask you one very specifically question. Is he having built a Dutch designed seawall to keep out a 75’ tidal wave?
 
i need to ask you one very specifically question. Is he having built a Dutch designed seawall to keep out a 75’ tidal wave?

ooooh GOD , please stop talking this way .
You scare me
your replay contain many mysterious symbols & expressions (like the coded messages between 2 spy agents)

what dutch seawall ?
do you mean that he prevents the refugees from escape to Europe through the sea .

anyway, its seems that i totally missed your point .
but i like your mysterious replays
 
I've heard Indian people express a desire for reestablishing British organization of India as well. Those ships have long sailed, I would imagine. Islamic terror attacks against Europeans have occurred in Egypt since the Arab Spring, and sending representatives of Britain to 'organize' Egypt would be a logistical nightmare. Their safety would likely be in jeopardy.

The problem is a cultural one. The ME never underwent the cultural transformation that Europe did. Atfter the catastrophe of the 30 Years’ War, in which a third of the entire population of Europe was wiped out, ideas like the separation of church and state emerged. They realized that religion was no helpful guide To making decisions of government and social policy. Accidentally and contingently enough, this was the same time that the scientific revolution was happening, with Galileo questioning the authority of the church, The idea of divine knowledge, and the importance of human rationality. There was this idea emerging that religion was no helpful guide for proper governance, and only served to inflame tribalism and political division. The importance of rationality was also coming to the fore. This was the sea change in culture now known as the enlightenment.

This never happened in the Middle East. Religion still keeps people from being able to think things out for themselves, or to consult or negotiate with others to compromise on interests and agendas. It stifles rationality, and creativity. After all, if you know the will of God, and others don’t, why would you ever want to really listen to their point of view, or listen to any new ideas, or compromise, especially if the compromise means compromising the will of God?

I don’t know how such a cultural transformation could occur in the middle east, short of another 30 years war equivalent there.
 
Hi there
I live in Egypt (which is a country in the middle east)
& I think most of you heard about the “Arabian spring” .

The Arabian spring was just a single episode of a long bloody history of Arabian region.
The peoples of the Middle East have suffered during the past decades, and Anyone who looks at the history of that region can only find poverty, ignorance, wars and bloodshed.
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I was thinking to find a solution to this lasting tragedy,
And then I came with an idea :
Why are not European countries -(especially UK Which has a long history of colonization
)- Takes over managing and Governance the Middle East?
======================
I know the idea seems crazy, but Iam not talking about bloody Occupation ,
I am talking about (Governance ), where Europe can owe the Middle East and benefit from its resources, while at the same time , giving people the opportunity to live a decent life in the light of respect for human rights and multiculturalism.
========================
For example:
Suppose that : the Egyptian people & government are agreed to (Egypt's integration into the United Kingdom), where UK will owe the Egyptian lands, resources & Sovereignty.
And the UK will be committed To (Repayment of debts of Egypt/ providing :job opportunities , freedom of expression & decent life requirements to the Egyptian people)
========================
my question is :
Will UK find a good chance in this project?
Or UK will refuse to sink itself into the mud of middle east (where poverty ,Intolerance, Overpopulation) will make things getting worse , and finally :UK Will find itself fighting in a losing battle.
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sorry for my silly talking , but iam eager to hear your opinion

Britain unwisely took on the League of Nations Mandate to govern Palestine. Never again! (says this Brit). I fear the Arabs of the Near East ('Middle East' is just a term invented by confused Americans) will have to devise their own solutions to the problems largely of their own making.

Good luck Egypt with keeping Islamism in its cage.
 
ooooh GOD , please stop talking this way .
You scare me
your replay contain many mysterious symbols & expressions (like the coded messages between 2 spy agents)

what dutch seawall ?
do you mean that he prevents the refugees from escape to Europe through the sea .

anyway, its seems that i totally missed your point .
but i like your mysterious replays
Sisi is doing the best he can under and the circumstances inherited by him.
Eni is evacuating a gas formation to the tune of a cubic quarter square mile per day. If that creates a geological slip and it stirs the Mediterranean Sea to spawn swells, you might see a Japanese tsunami comparable to 3/11/11. I hope he is building a storm surge wall to keep it out WHEN this does happen.
He needs to finance the wall, fighting ISIS in the Sini, giving his army inflationatrory pay raises, keep foreign investors happy, while feeding his citizens and keeping an avenue to allowing the hardest workers to be able to retain their wealth while keeping them around after they retire. No westerner can do that without suffering a heart attack. Pray for President Sisi. He is your last chance at Egypt ever becoming a first world nation.
 
thanks for your clarification about : the final solution
& you mentioned a good point (about what happen in palastine)

but i think time has changed , the European union can find a Consensual formula that provide the Arab nations with average life requirements , and this formula will respect Transparency and human rights.

Europe will get benefit to Solve the growing refugee problems.
Europe also will have an access to natural resources ,and use it in Industrial purposes To compete China
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i think its not about secular or religious .
the problem is more deeper than that
the problem relays in the Arabian government which lacks :honesty & discipline
and it doesnt matter wether you replace the current gov. with a new gov. , as the new gov. will be the same corrupt messy.

i think the problem is in Arab GENES

I agree; Arab nations have not been very successful in devising forms of government that are suitable for the 21st century. But there are a few relative successes - Jordan and Oman to give two examples.

Don't look to the EU for help. The EU is, in its own way, as anti-democratic, corrupt and mis-managed as most of the Near East.
 
If we had remained neutral in WW2 we all might be speaking Gestapo German by now. If we had not stopped Saddam Hussein at Kuwait he might just have captured the oil reserves necessary for him to control the world through the oil spigot.

You - ie the US - did not renounce neutrality in WWII. You were attacked by Japan and then Germany declared war on you. If these two events had not occurred you may well have remained neutral indefinately.
 
I always am somewhat taken aback when someone refers to anything as a "final solution"
Variations of certain words are verboten to you progressives, no?

(And thoughts).
 
your replays were very useful to me
now i realize that my idea was Not practical & seemingly impossible .

But I began to notice another danger, which is "the west may support any type of dictator to have access to profitable natural resources or strategic geographical locations of middle east."

and this scenario is more logical & In line with the principle of (risk-reward ratio)

My friend, you have pointed out very quickly why our foreign policy to date for the greater Middle East is filled with epic failure and hypocrisy.

All one has to do is look at US ties to Saudi Arabia. That relationship alone illustrates with perfection that we will engage with a nation so long as we find advantage no matter what kind of human rights concerns we may have about that nation, a complete lack of basic freedoms in that nation, etc.

But if that is not good enough we can also discuss that before the US decided Saddam was a bad guy for Iraq, we *supported him* so long as he fought with Iran no matter what he was doing to the Kurds and many others.

The US (and the west in general) has proved we will support a dictator so long as we get something out of the deal.

My point is throughout all of this we have created our own problems, and I have at least 8 or more nations we can point to across the greater Middle East that prove beyond all debate that western intervention has made matters worse.

If there is a solution to consider it is two fold. Evolution of Islam (as other forms of monotheism have been forced to do,) and having these nations fix their own problems. Until both of these things happen, all we will see is a repeat of mess after mess with loss of life all along the way. It is horribly sad, but true.
 
Hi there
I live in Egypt (which is a country in the middle east)
& I think most of you heard about the “Arabian spring” .

The Arabian spring was just a single episode of a long bloody history of Arabian region.
The peoples of the Middle East have suffered during the past decades, and Anyone who looks at the history of that region can only find poverty, ignorance, wars and bloodshed.
====================
I was thinking to find a solution to this lasting tragedy,
And then I came with an idea :
Why are not European countries -(especially UK Which has a long history of colonization
)- Takes over managing and Governance the Middle East?
======================
I know the idea seems crazy, but Iam not talking about bloody Occupation ,
I am talking about (Governance ), where Europe can owe the Middle East and benefit from its resources, while at the same time , giving people the opportunity to live a decent life in the light of respect for human rights and multiculturalism.
========================
For example:
Suppose that : the Egyptian people & government are agreed to (Egypt's integration into the United Kingdom), where UK will owe the Egyptian lands, resources & Sovereignty.
And the UK will be committed To (Repayment of debts of Egypt/ providing :job opportunities , freedom of expression & decent life requirements to the Egyptian people)
========================
my question is :
Will UK find a good chance in this project?
Or UK will refuse to sink itself into the mud of middle east (where poverty ,Intolerance, Overpopulation) will make things getting worse , and finally :UK Will find itself fighting in a losing battle.
=====================
sorry for my silly talking , but iam eager to hear your opinion

Khaled:

Being Egyptian you are the descendants of about 4500 years of experience about how to rule yourselves. Why look to others to solve your problems when those others will likely exploit and abuse your people for the others' benefit. It was only just over sixty years ago that the British and French invaded your country with Israeli help in order to stop Egyptian self rule from exerting complete control over the Suez Canal. And now you want to invite these former would-be conquerers back to rule over you?

Egypt's future and its potential must lie in Egyptian hands and Egyptians like you must take the reins of the state from greedy elites and their allies in the Egyptian military in order to make a future Egypt into a place where each Egyptian who is willing to work hard has a chance for success. Egypt sits astride two continents and the Nile River is the gateway to central Africa. You are blessed by geography. Egypt was once covered in forests and fields and it could be again if Egyptians want it to be so. So don't let your country be exploited by greedy foreigners or greedy generals of the military-economic junta which has once again ruled over you since the ouster of Mubarek and overthrow of the Morsi Government. It is time for Egyptian to take control and make a new future for their great land.

It is you and other Egyptians like you who must turn the page and reinvent Egypt as the great land it once was. You will not find your future in the thrall of foreigners nor as subjects to wicked generals who kill tens of thousands of Egyptians in order to remain in power and milk your land for its wealth. Only by finding other Egyptians who wish to make Egypt great again for as many Egyptians as possible and who have the will and courage to make the necessary changes happen will you be able to make the Egypt you want. So risk you future, your freedom and even your life in order to band together and to build a new land of milk and honey that your ancestors would be proud of. You no longer need foreign Hyksos or Egyptian Pharoahs to rule you, you can do it yourselves and bring along the millions of Egyptians who have been excluded from sharing in the prosperity of Egypt for so long into a new golden era which all Egyptians can be proud of. Turn the pyramids upside down and create a democratic Egypt that lifts the many into both prosperity and political relevance. To coin a phrase popular in Trumpian America today, Make Egypt Great Again! MEGA!

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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This came from a conversation in India mind you, not in Buttscratch, Fla.

Sure it did. Must have been during your "colonies want to be re-raped by the West" tour.

Stupid idiot nazi rhetoric aimed at IQs of about 80.
 
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Hi there
I live in Egypt (which is a country in the middle east)
& I think most of you heard about the “Arabian spring” .

The Arabian spring was just a single episode of a long bloody history of Arabian region.
The peoples of the Middle East have suffered during the past decades, and Anyone who looks at the history of that region can only find poverty, ignorance, wars and bloodshed.
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======================
I know the idea seems crazy, but Iam not talking about bloody Occupation ,
I am talking about (Governance ), where Europe can owe the Middle East and benefit from its resources, while at the same time , giving people the opportunity to live a decent life in the light of respect for human rights and multiculturalism.
========================
For example:
Suppose that : the Egyptian people & government are agreed to (Egypt's integration into the United Kingdom), where UK will owe the Egyptian lands, resources & Sovereignty.
And the UK will be committed To (Repayment of debts of Egypt/ providing :job opportunities , freedom of expression & decent life requirements to the Egyptian people)

=====================
sorry for my silly talking , but iam eager to hear your opinion
I have previously written on this topic, Colonialism v. Immigration v. National Borders v. Compassion – What’s the Solution?The 1700's and the 1800's were the high-water marks for open immigration, and the expansion of European colonial empires. Motivated, entrepreneurial people left Europe and to a lesser extent Asia in droves for the New World countries of the U.S., Canada, Australia and New Zealand. As thinly populated (due to smallpox's effect on the native population) opened for settlement and trans-oceanic travel became routine the people came. The new worlds had little to offer other than land and opportunity. There were few objections because the migrations didn't cost much to the host countries. And they gained a source of cheap labor.

Colonialism was spurred by opportunities to import valued items, as well as, unfortunately, slave labor. People rationalized colonialism as improving the lot of natives. Christianity was to solve the problems of the world. In fact, it rationalized exploitation and racism. Conceding that, however, the living conditions of people who were not tribal chiefs or royalty was deplorable. I would argue that almost all the African countries, the Middle Eastern countries except Israel, and Asian countries excluding Singapore and arguably India were better off under colonial rule. Except of course for the ruling class in each of these countries.
 
Hi there
I live in Egypt (which is a country in the middle east)
& I think most of you heard about the “Arabian spring” .

The Arabian spring was just a single episode of a long bloody history of Arabian region.
The peoples of the Middle East have suffered during the past decades, and Anyone who looks at the history of that region can only find poverty, ignorance, wars and bloodshed.
====================
I was thinking to find a solution to this lasting tragedy,
And then I came with an idea :
Why are not European countries -(especially UK Which has a long history of colonization
)- Takes over managing and Governance the Middle East?
======================
I know the idea seems crazy, but Iam not talking about bloody Occupation ,
I am talking about (Governance ), where Europe can owe the Middle East and benefit from its resources, while at the same time , giving people the opportunity to live a decent life in the light of respect for human rights and multiculturalism.
========================
For example:
Suppose that : the Egyptian people & government are agreed to (Egypt's integration into the United Kingdom), where UK will owe the Egyptian lands, resources & Sovereignty.
And the UK will be committed To (Repayment of debts of Egypt/ providing :job opportunities , freedom of expression & decent life requirements to the Egyptian people)
========================
my question is :
Will UK find a good chance in this project?
Or UK will refuse to sink itself into the mud of middle east (where poverty ,Intolerance, Overpopulation) will make things getting worse , and finally :UK Will find itself fighting in a losing battle.
=====================
sorry for my silly talking , but iam eager to hear your opinion
That is not an incentive to take over and rule and doing so would likely lead to animosity and mass discord.

If you think the West's way of governing is good, then emulate it on your own and for G_d's sake make sure you separate religious belief from the state.
 
Variations of certain words are verboten to you progressives, no?

(And thoughts).

Do you not think the term "final solution" is associated with the holocaust? At least when out of scientific and similar technical realms
 
My thoughts exactly. The problems of the ME can only be solved by the people who live there. All forms of outside interference (military aid and interventions) should be done away with.
I don't think that a primitive culture without a civil society can solve much of anything beyond procreating.
 
Do you not think the term "final solution" is associated with the holocaust? At least when out of scientific and similar technical realms

Yes it is. Final solution is a generic term and its usage shouldn't be restricted because of its association with the holocaust (at least, those who believe in the first amendment feel this way).
 
Hi there
I live in Egypt (which is a country in the middle east)
& I think most of you heard about the “Arabian spring” .

The Arabian spring was just a single episode of a long bloody history of Arabian region.
The peoples of the Middle East have suffered during the past decades, and Anyone who looks at the history of that region can only find poverty, ignorance, wars and bloodshed.
====================
I was thinking to find a solution to this lasting tragedy,
And then I came with an idea :
Why are not European countries -(especially UK Which has a long history of colonization
)- Takes over managing and Governance the Middle East?
======================
I know the idea seems crazy, but Iam not talking about bloody Occupation ,
I am talking about (Governance ), where Europe can owe the Middle East and benefit from its resources, while at the same time , giving people the opportunity to live a decent life in the light of respect for human rights and multiculturalism.
========================
For example:
Suppose that : the Egyptian people & government are agreed to (Egypt's integration into the United Kingdom), where UK will owe the Egyptian lands, resources & Sovereignty.
And the UK will be committed To (Repayment of debts of Egypt/ providing :job opportunities , freedom of expression & decent life requirements to the Egyptian people)
========================
my question is :
Will UK find a good chance in this project?
Or UK will refuse to sink itself into the mud of middle east (where poverty ,Intolerance, Overpopulation) will make things getting worse , and finally :UK Will find itself fighting in a losing battle.
=====================
sorry for my silly talking , but iam eager to hear your opinion

Because we would be opposed by the people of each and every nation we occupied. Make no mystake this idea would involve repressin and killing lots of people.

That the people of such places have not grown up is obvious. That the only way to grow up is often just to get on with it. To fail and then get back up. It is painful and difficult.

Good luck and get on with it.
 
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